This has gone on unchecked for far too long now and it needs to be brought to an end.
While the Congress has been reduced to a family business for decades now, the BJP has been unique in its ability to throw up new leaders from the ranks.
After the 2004 debacle that unique ability has mutated into a cacophony of discordant voices in a never ending game of one-upmanship.
Not too long ago the BJP witnessed a similar game of one-upmanship in Bihar. While an unassuming Sushil Kumar Modi could not do a Narendra Modi in Gujarat to sideline voices who’s nuisance value was far too disporportionate to their actual grassroots support, the BJP conducted a unique experiment.
A secret ballot to put the dissident’s bluff to test on whether Sushil kumar Modi enjoyed confidence or not.
In the run up to the Lok Sabha elections, it is clear that a high stakes game is being played out in the BJP where a cacophony of discordant voices ranging from Mr. Bhairon Singh Shekhawat to Mr. Kalyan Singh are attempting to play spoilsport knowing very well they lack the popular support to stake a real claim.
The BJP leadership in deference to their past stature has been tolerating this game of one upmanship to its own detriment.
It is time it called their bluff and put their claims to a stake in the leadership pie to the ballot test.
Rather than allow these modern day Yayatis who’s love for son-in-laws and those beyond marital laws knows no bounds, it must call their bluff.
Rather than allow this daily nuisance and ensuing media circus, it must challenge them to put their past stature to a popular test which would establish beyond doubt the real electoral value of their past stature.
The sooner it does this the better for its health for it needs to get back on focus and on message as the Lok Sabha elections get closer.
Filed under: Lok Sabha Polls 2008-2009, betrayal of aam admi
They can but they won’t. It’ll be counterproductive.
Mazumdar informed me yesterday that Madam has something big up her sleeve err blouse that is to be revealed in days to come. Three big leaders I mean BIG leaders of ‘nationalist’ party would drift away to – surprise – BSP and contest the LS seat under Maya’s blessing (not necessarily from UP by the way). I’m so happy now that I already gulped three dirty martinis by 10. Anyway, I never thought we could have destroyed our opponents so easily. Now with Chawla becoming CEC from 20th April, this election will be a cakewalk for The Messiah. I’m tempted here to paraphrase the LOTR dialogue (incidentally one of my favorite movies) “The age of gerontocracy is over. The time of the youth has come”.
Hail The One. Hail Rahul.
BJP is all but washed up as far as the 2009 LS elections are concerned. LK Advani for Lok Sabha elections would be what VK Malhotra was for Delhi elections – too old and totally unappealing to the electorate of today. The man wants an image make over to obtain allies. But he seems to be unable to recognize that his earlier Hindutva image was his real strength, and without that he is close to zero. Vajpayee tried an image makeover for the BJP, and in the process drove away BJP’s core supporters. It is a sad fact – Vajpayee first, and now Advani are burying the BJP. I expect that after May 2009, BJP, as we recognize it today, would just wither away, many of its ‘leaders’ either retiring or finding their way to Congress.
Yup, a clear win for the NDA looks difficult in May ‘09. Best we can hope for is a hung parliament, an unstable coalition that collapses within months paving the way for fresh polls and hopefully a more forceful popular mandate for the NDA at that time.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Big_B_slams_Slumdog_Millionaire_on_blog/articleshow/3979601.cms
I am glad that there are some patriots in Indian Cinema (I hate this term Bollywood) like Amitabh. Also I noticed how media has sidelined Aishwarya after her marriage with Abhishek.
Our media like Sharukh, Aamir, Sania Mirza than Somdev Devburman, Sania Nehwal.
Sadly when Modi takes center stage the Rajnath Singhs of the world will play a similar role.
Look for 2002 to be raked up all over again.
Already You can see how the MSM (NDTV, IBN) are putting the wrong spin on the praise NaMo is receiving from top industrialists.
According to them this is a problem for LKA – lol. Its a problem for Rahul Baba – that college drop out who probably cannnot even spell his own name.
“…Rather than allow this daily nuisance and ensuing media circus, it must challenge them to put their past stature to a popular test which would establish beyond doubt the real electoral value of their past stature….”
An introspection also is in order for the BJP, as to why these things happen…
The answer could be-
- ‘lack of principles’.
- the thrust on ‘Winnability’
- the tendancy for ‘electoral adjustments’, ‘alliances’ and ‘coalation dharma’ and the resultant ‘compromises’.
- non-existence of long term ‘Vision’
I doubt that Mayawati could admit any major BJP leaders without antagonizing the vote banks. Her Brahmin-OBC combine isn’t strong enough to go nation-wide, since the anti-Mulayam backlash was mainly applicable in her state. For instance, would she be able to woo Bihar’s Nitish Kumar to unite the anti-Yadav factions? I do see a lot of foreign publications touting Mayawati as their next mascot, though. However she just doesn’t have either the temperament or the skill to manage wider coalition politics on the national level.
And yet as someone who believes in Murphy’s Law, I’d say nationalist/conservative forces need to borrow a page from the Americans, and practice a Starve-the-Beast strategy. Always assume that the Left is going to come back to power, and then make sure the cupboard is bare by the time they get there, so that they can’t raid it. Spend the money on near-term infrastructure projects, as well as skills development, instead of leaving around some cash-rich treasury for the Left to raid like their private piggybank.
Yoss ,
There was an interview on NDTV on the Modi for PM topic. In this Manish Tiwari of congress made some statements like
1) Gujarat is the most indebted state in India
2) It has the highest overdraft among the states
3) Some 62,000 SME shutdown in Gujarat
4) Per capita income is coming down in Gujarat
http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/video/video.aspx?id=50787
Do you have any data on this ? Can you please elaborate
Thanks in advance.
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/india-inc-cries-modify-india-causes-flutter/82787-3.html
I think there was a lot of heartburn caused to MSM due to corporate backing of Modi.
I have said it before and I am telling it NOW.
If Advani continues to be the PM candidate for BJP = SURE ELECTORAL DEFEAT.
If Modi becomes the PM candidate EVEN NOW = Probable Electoral SWEEP.
Remember the new election commissioner is Navin Chawla so you are starting with odds stacked against you
Look at what Congress thinks about NaMo, the kind of language it uses in its public discourse about it’s opposition party and what the MSM publishes in the name of free press. Congress has not used such language even against Pakistan.
Cong flays praise of Modi’s leadership by industry captains
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/Cong_flays_praise_of_Modis_leadership_by_industry_captains/articleshow/3979599.cms
It is a disgrace to India that Congress even continues to exist.
YOSS:
I completely agree with you that sooner the BJP calls the bluff of Shekhawat & Kalyan Singh the better. If they are going to leave BJP anyway, I would rather that they leave dissgraced (after having failed to compete w/ LKA) than walk away with false perception of any “current” stature in the eyes of the people.
Also, there has been some talk by the media (surely fed by the Congress) about LKA’s age – comfortably forgetting that most PMs afer Rajiv Gandhi (irrespective of their age) have been less healthy than LKA is at 81.
Some, even within BJP may feel that NaMo will get BJP (I did not say NDA) across the finish line better than LKA can (in May 2009). Many of them forget one thing. Until Nanavati commission’s 2nd report is out about the riots of 2002 (& if it clears NaMo of any wrongdoing as most of us believe is the truth), most NDA allies will not openly support NaMo. So, BJP really does not have a choice but to have LKA represent it & NDA.
I personnaly believe that LKA can carry NDA through to a respectable 250+ seats. However, the bulff of retards like Shekhawat and Kalyan Sing needs to be called ASAP to avoid further erosion of BJP’s & LKA’s image.
Yossarin:
Its good that you have highlighted about this nuisance factor which has arisen in BJP and its high time that the party took some concrete steps to counter this.
As you said all those who are playing this game of one upmanship should be put to test by secret ballot and the results should be accepted by them.
As for Advani versus Modi the corporates spoke foolishly (IMHO) and at this late stage have just put a spoke in BJP’s wheels. Lets not forget that Anil Ambani is a friend to SP.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/storypage/storypage.aspx?id=77bffbcf-a358-4c65-a7a0-51929117c614&&Headline=Over+1,700+return+to+Hindu+fold
Some good news.
I agree with Dhananjay. The sooner the bluff of these old ’stalwarts’ is called the better. Who knows, the capitalists who spoke so highly of Namo may have their own hidden agenda !
There does not appear to be an alternative to LKA at present.
Shekhawat issue will fade away within few days once the media is looses interest in the story. He does not have any mass base. That is why BJP may be keeping low profile publically and avoiding discussing in the press. I feel that BJP tried to pacify him but this old man is hungry for power and not ready to listen anybody. He might be thinking that he is the senior most person in the BJP and naturally all should accept him as the leader.
Regarding Kalyan Singh also, BJP may be waiting him to leave on his own. Party may be fearing that expelling him may damage backward votes.
Both of them were once respected leader in the party; power made them greedy. Now they think themselves as above the party. Sad that no lesson learned from Vaghela , Keshubhai or Uma Bharthi.
Vinash kale viprut buddhi!
Yossarin must have given link to the original Pioneer article by Sandhya Jain. The article states the conspiracy to ’sideline’ the Next gen in the BJP. So here it is…..
http://intellibriefs.blogspot.com/2006/06/bjps-yayati-syndrome.html
After reading this what are your comments in Rahul Mahajan and the conspirac? Especially since Yoss had described Pramod mahajan as the man to watch out for 3 months before his death?
Does the Gen Next sidelining run deep?
Yossarin, any comments
@ Saurav…
“If Advani continues to be the PM candidate for BJP = SURE ELECTORAL DEFEAT.
If Modi becomes the PM candidate EVEN NOW = Probable Electoral SWEEP”
bandhu…I beg to differ with you.
As far as my thinking goes…I VOTE FOR THE PARTY AND NOT INDIVIDUALS.
LKA is old, but he is no mug, he will steer us and create a platform for the younger generation in the BJP, possibly Modi. This I believe is required.
Modi, is busy creating a model state Gujarat in India. This will be showcased for other states to raise their bars and improve the quality of life for all Indians. We must let him do this.
LKA is the PM in waiting, thats that. So, lets drop all our differences and support him. Coz, if we are shaky, we cannot help the party, by convincing many others to vote for the BJP.
Think over it Bandhu.
Yossarin, fact of the matter is other than Namo and Raman Singh, all else are just a B team of the Congress. Nitish is fine , but his electoral gains are limited in the LS elections.
Yes, all else including Rajnut, Kalyan, MMJ, Sushma, BS Shekhu are behind the kursi without really distinguishing themselves from the kangressis and Samajwadis.
After Dec 2007, when Namo won, I thought things would turn better. Now they are worse. The party with a difference is now a party with too many differences. When you go to fight a battle ( of ballot ), first you should unite your ranks.
This is a simple criticism of the BJP. Dare you not call me a Kangressi Yossarin, for too long you have shied away from writing on this aspect. Time to reflect ( on your o3.indiatimes days ? ) and write an honest criticism?
@ 17 Jiggs,
….. will steer us and create a platform for the younger generation in the BJP, possibly Modi.
Jiggs, can you read the Sanhya Jain article and comment on the next generation of leaders which would be allowed to rise?
BTW, i thought the Vasundhara – BS Shekhu feud will cost 4 and a half LS seats!
In the current scenario, LKA is the best person to lead since Modi is gaining popularity in all over India, although I feel Advani is not going to be good administrator than Modi.
Times is also needed to emerge a tollest leader (Modi!!!) among the second rank party leadership as it happened during mid eighties when Bajpayee and Advani came out among many people.
Issuees like Sekhwat or Kalyan Sing are the small noise happen in any big party. Only thing need to be done is stopped them to make noise by reminding their (in)capability during the internal party forum, not necessary punishment which mainly give fodder to MSM.
Well one interesting thing I observe (lol i have a lot of free time)…over the past 6 months or so is that:
Whenever, I do a http://news.google.com and search BJP…..i see that the pseudo-secular press is not only restricted in India but it is also very much prevalent in :
Saudi /Dubai and Gulf countries
USA.
The press out there is also highly critical of the BJP.
I would say there is more than what meets the eye. There are more enemies of the BJP than the Congress/CPI etc..The threat is not in India but it is in Very much abroad.
Highly powerful forces in USA, Saudi etc., do not want a BJP government at the center.
They are highly influencing the Media. Rumours are that the next elections are also going to be highly rigged in the favor of the Congress because that is what suits to governments abroad.
I am being a bit pessimistic here but I just want to warn you on any surprises you see in the election results.
Best War of Comments-
http://specials.rediff.com/money/2009/jan/14sd1-ambani-mittal-bat-for-modi-as-pm.htm
JAI GUJARAT
JAI HIND
@19 SK,
Gosh…that was what 3 years ago. Man….things change from what she has written then.
For Instance : Pravin mahajan never joined Cong. he is with MNS.
Rahul Mahajan least said the better. he is no way in BJP, Mumbai’s radar. His astute sister Poonam Mahajan is now in the party and working her way up. Now, no special treatment is being meted out to her from what I have seen. She is wrking hard to prove a point.
I dont know why do we have to derieve anything from what has been written 3 years ago…there is no connect, as things have changed.
Another example…Modi was then known for most of Indians as moonstruck demagouge, who helped Hindus to murder in cold blood “INNOCENT???” Muslims. No body knew of his governance then and so nobody was talking about it.
Things have changed. Why are we jumping to conclusions. Just relax.
http://www.rediff.com/news/2009/jan/15marad-carnage-life-sentence-for-62-convicts.htm
Just observe how the entire report is totally silent on the religion of the perpetrators! Criminals have no religion eh?
Whats happening to Sadhvi Pragya Thakur these days, any updates? Is the matter going to be resolved once and for all OR is it going to remain ambigious and keep troubling the nationalist forces every now and then like a bad coin?
@22 Saurav…
“Highly powerful forces in USA, Saudi etc., do not want a BJP government at the center. ”
All the more reasons for us Desi’s to elect a government which is good for the country with whoever is the PM candidate.
This leads us to my point : VOTE FOR THE PARTY AND NOT INDIVIDUALS.
It is imperative for us to drop all differences and work towards the goal of bringing in the BJP to power
^^ Jiggs mate, Poonam Mahajan is being done in by the Raswantiben group, who are themselves being sidelined by Mohan Rawale (S candidate) since the 2 seats of Mumbai-South and Mumbai Central have been made one! All the trio have indulged in media baiting. And if Ram Naik is being brought back then too bad. In 2004, he said and you can relate to it “Mee borivalicha Ram naik, tumhi mala mat dya” And the man got the drubbing from voters of all MLA constituencies as the EVM analysis showed. The less said the better. And if he wins this time, we must thank Go(ne)-vinda
As for three years back, well that was an article to highlight the internal matbhed . And mate, about MODi , in ‘05 i was telling people about his initiatives and people used the fav. bhen-gali word FASCISt in return! Today the same praise Modi!
So just putting things into perspective about the succession and internal bickerings.
Kangress has made some allegations against Modi in Gujarat about GDP, debt etc. We need to verify the true picture so as to contradict their claims when they reiterate it during campaigning.
@Jiggs: 1. whoever is the PM candidate.; 2. VOTE FOR THE PARTY AND NOT INDIVIDUALS., 3. drop all differences and work towards the goal of bringing in the BJP to power
Dear Jiggs, I wish you do know that this precisely, the above, is the sentiment that M. K. Gandhi conveyed to the members of All India Congress Working Committee that met on April 29, 1946 to elect the next president of Congress, who would eventually become the First Prime Minister of the Free India.
But if it does not ring bells in your memory, I post a summary of this episode, that in many ways went on to become a MAJOR TURN in the force of history of Independent India, as we know it today!!
(Abul Kalam) Azad’s term, begun in 1940, had ended. Who would follow Azad? The question was of more than usual interest because premier Clement Attlee of Britain had declared that Britain was quitting India and sent three cabinet ministers to arrange the withdrawal, which meant that Azad’s successor was likely to become the first Prime Minister.
Three candidates were there up in the race: Acharya J B Kripalani, Jawaharlal Nehru, and Vallbha Bhai Patel. The working committee of the INC and the 19 pradesh committees had to send their nomination for one of the three. Patel’s name was proposed by 12 states, Kriplani’s by 3 and other states had not yet made up the mind. Nehru could not get even one Pradesh nomination, including his own state, the United Province.
But Gandhi got in the act immediately, when just four days before the formal election process, he sent a letter to the sitting president A K Azad, expressing his support to Nehru. His reasoning was that his British education was an asset: ‘Jawaharlal cannot be replaced today whilst the charge is being taken from the British. He, a Harrow boy, a Cambridge graduate, and a barrister, is wanted to carry on the negotiations with the Englishmen.’
In deference to Gandhi’s wishes, and opposed to the democratic voice of the congressmen, Kripalani withdrew in favour of Nehru. Patel followed his colleague and stepped down readily making way for Nehru to become the President, and eventually the first PM of India.
The rest, as they say, is “History”.
Now, in context of 3 points you raised, i.e., 1. whoever is the PM candidate.; 2. VOTE FOR THE PARTY AND NOT INDIVIDUALS., 3. drop all differences and work towards the goal — tell me, did the election of the wrong leader made a difference to the history of India or not? Seek the answer from within your heart.
Now, coming to the present leader, projected to be PM if BJP/NDA gain power, whom you propose should not be even discussed, has shown consistent trend of secularization and dilution of idealogy and grit. Your proposal is, as they say in this Hindi proverb, “doodh kee makkhee nigal lo”!! (“just gulp down the dead-fly you already see in the milk”)
My references:
1. “The Good Boatman: A Portrait of Gandhi” by Mr. Rajmohan Gandhi
2. The Blunder of Pandit by Claude Arpi: http://www.rediff.com/news/2004/jun/16spec3.htm
IMO Yoss’s twitter says it well.
Modi is PM material refrain from industry is good news for BJP. It blunts anti-Modi media bias and assures the BJP of a succession plan
Sure, there’ll be INC and phoren backed yayatis rising like the phoney-ix when the issue of succession in the BJP does come about. And with each passing week it becomes impossible to ignore the phenomenon that NaMo has become.
A start under LKA’s umbrella leadership will be good coz public doubters like Nitish can be turned around more smoothly that way. IMO, LKA may not even complete a full term if he comes to power in 2009. Might prefer to handover power midway and retire, who knows? And that decision becomes easier knowing your choice of successor is all but inevitable.
By the way, the episode from “The Good Boatman: A Portrait of Gandhi” by Mr. Rajmohan Gandhi, that I mentioned above, is also covered by Retributions: http://retributions.nationalinterest.in/weekend-reading-gandhi-nehru-and-patel/
Rahul Gandhi is another slumdog cheerleader.. Macaulayite personified. He is displaying Indias misery to the criminals
‘This is the real India’: Rahul to Miliband at Dalit village
15 Jan 2009, 1651 hrs IST, PTI
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SEMRA (AMETHI): “This is the real India”, Congress MP Rahul Gandhi told British Foreign Secretary David Miliband as they visited this nondescript
Dalit village, expressing his regret that foreign dignitaries often avoid travelling to such places.
Miliband, who spent last night here in Bhetua block of Amethi district, is currently on a visit to the parliamentary constituency of AICC General Secretary Rahul Gandhi.
After a day-long hectic schedule yesterday, the two young leaders had interaction with women of the self help groups (SHG) here, nearly 30 km from Amethi. During the interaction process that continued for more than an hour, Gandhi acted as a translator to Miliband.
Gandhi asked the women as to why they introduce their children to English medium. On this, 80-year-old lady replied, “ajkal toffee pe bhi English likha hota hai to Hindi padha ke kya hoga (These days wrappers of toffees are also written in English, so what is the use of being taught in Hindi)”.
The English translation of this by the Congress leader led the visiting dignitary burst into laughter. Gandhi introduced Miliband to the locals as they did not know who the visiting guest was, and asked them to put some questions to the foreign dignitary.
“Kya wo hamari bat samajh sakenge (Can he understand our language),” the villagers replied.
The two leaders had some village food with the rural folk before retiring on a ‘charpai’ in the house of Shiv Kumari and Karma. The house was a typical village household complete with cows and buffaloes.
Nishka,
The following lines from the news explains the motive of rakshasyuvaraaj raul vinchi.. make India christian by introducing to english et al…
Gandhi asked the women as to why they introduce their children to English medium. On this, 80-year-old lady replied, “ajkal toffee pe bhi English likha hota hai to Hindi padha ke kya hoga (These days wrappers of toffees are also written in English, so what is the use of being taught in Hindi)”.
Guys get positive. There is nothing to worry about. Agreed the BJP is not getting its act together, but I think the congress is doing their job for the BJP. There is so much anger against the congress on the streets, I think they will definitely lose. Whether the BJP wins is the issue? I think the key is getting the educated to vote. I think Advani is a good choice as a PM with Modi as number 2. This way the NDA constituents get more comfortable. Then Mr Modi can take over in the mid term and finish the commies and the congies forever. I am fully in favour of Mcarthyism being unleashed in India. This will be the only Dharmik thing to do. I am sure Yoss will disagree!!! The BJP looks more and more like the congress and the only saving grace it is still not indulging in minority appeasement. Which to me is a big difference. Advani should be the statesman and let modi do the dirty job. That to me would be the dream team. But I am just a common man!!
@ Jiggs, malay, sud, venkatesh,
Before we go all out in support of BJP it may be educative to read Koenraad Elst here – http://koenraadelst.voiceofdharma.com/books/bjp
There is an assumption among the right-thinking people that BJP in power is the solution to all.
Maybe it is fond hope.
Elst raises a lot of disturbing questions. I have put a link to it on Advani’s blog also.
All BJP sympathisers and supporters would do well to go through Elst’s book to be more aware of the issues the nation faces.
> Kangress has made some allegations against Modi in Gujarat about GDP, debt etc.
Some counterpoints -
* Gujarat’s socio-economic review for 07-08 showed that per capita income was growing rapidly
* The state has a revenue surplus. Debt is being using to spend on appreciating assets (i.e. development projects) which is the right thing to do.
http://www.gujaratindia.com/usefulinfo/ser0708.pdf
http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/debt-a-reflection-of-credit-worthiness-of-state-govt/277528/
The 2008-09 socio-economic review will be out next month and will provide data that is more up to date.
Tks Incongnito,
Have been hearing abt Elst’s work elsewhere too…
Good work debunking more INC white-lies, Amit. INC has signalled it will go to plain lying to discredit NaMo.
Amit, thanks for info.
@ Amarnath….My friend
You have over reacted to my comment.
Personally, I don’t mind L K Advani at all( I was always an ABV fan though). The point is unscrupulous elements in the country are pruposely trying all dirty tricks to confuse the voter compelling him towards the known malaise called ” Voter Apathy”.
Yes, I have read extensivley about MK Gandhi’s sommersault on the AICC elections, wherein he compelled Sardar Patel and the Congress in general to accept Nehru as the frist PM of India.
However, you seek an answer from your heart, if this Advani vs Nehru decoy planted by the opposition results in BJP losing the elections, where will Bharat varsh stand then in the coming years?
This is the reason behind my dogged support to the BJP, I refuse to think and vote this time around. I firmly beileve that another term to the CON gress and we can kiss the UNION of India , good bye….
oops typos…
Please read second last para as:
However, you seek an answer from your heart, if this Advani vs Modi decoy planted by the opppostion results in BJP losing the elections, where will Bharat VARSH stand in the coming years?
Incognito,
Your point is well taken and I think my comments reflect that opinion. I am also a great fan of Koenraad Elst and I am ashamed that we need a Belgian to point out how biased the Indian state is towards hindus. Maybe his distance gives him more objectivity. Having said that, I dont think there is an alternative to the BJP at this time and we have to support the BJP as it is the only party which is not against hindus and to me everything else is irrelevant.
Regards
@venkatesh, Jiggs,
One is simply disappointed at how this party BJP has turned out in last one and a half decade. It is not the same party that Hindus used to count on. It is a mere caricature of it, and indeed, in my opinion a liability on Hindus than their “protector”.
In fact, I am tempted to quote this from Elst:
“…the BJP is not a proud and defiant champion of a radical alternative to the rotten establishment, but a sycophantic beggar trying to curry favour with the same establishment. When articulating its “cultural nationalism”, the BJP systematically tries to define this as essentially the same thing as the prevalent secularism minus a few excesses. Even when pretending to formulate an alternative, the BJP is still paying implicit tribute to the Nehruvian system. Even when pretending to undo some of the damage to Hindu temples wrought by Islam, the BJP whitewashes and praises Islam. E.g. in his post-Demolition speech in the Lok Sabha, A.B. Vajpayee declared that he did “not recognize Aurangzeb as a representative of Islam”, meaning that Islam is alright but extraneous forces put Aurangzeb on an un-Islamic course of persecution and temple destruction. The RSS publishing-house Suruchi Prakashan has published his speech in a booklet titled, with unintended irony, Hindus Betrayed.
In any case, I am just pointing out that the BJP-PM in waiting, like yayati the ‘once-a-great-monarch-now-an-accursed-lech’, is how hollow. Go vote for him, but dont blame anyone else but yourselves for voting in another pseudo-secular like him.
Folks by the way, I had the opportunity to meet Koenraad Elst last weekend. His latest book is a scholarly criticism of all that goes today by the brand of Hindutva, but in reality is not! To be released in a few weeks.
@amarnath
For past 60 year our School books & Media is talking of “pse-sec” and it is NOT possible to change this in just 5 years….
just see how big sounds were made by MSM on Saraswati Vandana during NDA regime and that time WE all were impression that our MSM is very independent.
Thanks now that MEDIA mask is Exposed BUT still many people believe in spineless Media.
Dear dont expect in 5 year regime as we are dealing with Cancer which needs Many “kemotherapy”
what does MSM stand for?
MSM……Main Stream Media(so called) like NDTV,IE,HT etccccc
Apologize I did not the the vagdevi-vandana part, but what did BJP do during 6 years in power to create an alternative mainstream media, if the curren one is hostile not just to BJP but entire Hindu society? (Besides conferring a padma-X? on Prabhu Chawala!)
What did BJP do for promoting alternative media since being out of power? besides starting a (ghost-)blog of LKA, of course. What is their vision to do anything different right now? Besides inviting CNN-IBN to do their whistle-blow operations?
Forget about how long it would take to roll-back all the p-secularism of the system. What it would certainly NOT take is another wave of softer-secularism that BJP and its PM-in-waiting continue to display. It certainly does not take wearing skull-caps. It does not take separately thanking “muslims for voting BJP” as Mr. Advani did after the last election. It does not take sending chaddars to the subversionist sufi’s dargah. By those steps, how do you expect BJP to undo secularism even in 500 years, forget 5!
is Barkha Dutt “Nikah” to Kashmiri Muslim?????
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haseeb_Drabu
Barkha Dutt is married to a Kashmiri Muslim. His name is Haseeb A. Drabu. He is ex-Chairman and Chief Executive of Jammu and Kashmir Bank.
this is second marriage of Barkha Dutt. Her previous marriage was also to a Muslim
Dont know his First Husband name….
Any one who knows Barkha First Husband name??????
Now we know why Barkha Dutt is so fond of terrorists, particularly Kashmiri terrorists.
Guys, Its time to spread the news!
another GEM from Christ-Muslim Network of NDTV
Dear Incognito,
LKA is not the best choice for PM if u consider his track record in ABV time. But he is the better than rest of all. I did not see any hope regarding J&K, Banladeshi, NE problem and religious conversation issue. But definitely good to treat the people as all are equal instead of vote bank policy adopted by the congress and CPIM.
in term of economy issue, all party are same patronising big business house by relaxing rule and regulation.
Amarnath:
We have to make the best of a bad situation. Hence vote for the BJP. Atleast now is a time when there is a right wing party. Maybe they cannot set everything right but they are not deshdrohis like cong+commies.
For once I support the action of MNS of Raj Thakeray. Every Paki should be kicked out from India. Every Paki supporter should also be kicked out. Any one who speaks in favour any Paki should be tried for treason. They all want India destroyed. Why don’t they speak out against their governments covert and overt support to anti-India elements.
SC:
Far from deshdrohis they certainly are rashtrabhaktas. who denies that? Afterall, they are born from the same true womb of the great nationalist movement of past.
Unfortunately, thanks to the itellectual vacuum in their leadership, their direction has been totally derailed off the original vision of Hindutva, and they are simply entrenched in the gamerules made by enemy, notably the game of secularism. They have consistently taken off, as shown by the L K Advani’s blog-entry related to “Why India Can not be a Theocracy”, on a path to prove themselves to be more superior seculars than the seculars! It is akin to saying “White-Supremacy is alright, but Indians are more white than the British”, and therefore need to claim birthright on their Independence!!” That is their logic. Secularism, (which really is a euphemism for soft-christiandom), is alright, but we are more genuinely secular than the Congress!! That is their logic, and see the distance they go upto to prove their point in action! (watch LK Advani, Vajpayee and so on…)
Just watch Ravi Shankar Prasad or R P Rudy talk on the TV shows, where instead of simply targetting the basic premise of the seculars, they always get engaged on the rules set by the opponents.
I was happy when Mr. Rajnath Singh recently wanted to redefine ‘Secularism’. I thought there was some new hope. But I was wrong!! I was taken aback when all it ended in is that Secularism is ‘pantha-nirapeksha’ and not ‘dharma-nirapeksha’!! That is the outer limit of their political intellect really?
Now, again, I think Conscious Hindus have to put pressure on BJP. If they want the votes, let them declare it on their agenda. If they are “pantha-nirapeksha” (meaning Islam=Hindu from the eyes of the party), then Hindu should also become party-nirapeksha, and demand all parties to be heard!
Surely, if moslems can acheive it, caste-groups can acheive it, then why would Conscious Hindus be unable to acheive the same??
Do it, and then you would see all seculars — from mulayam to mayawati to Jayalalitha to paswan, lined up to take Hindu agenda.
Since we have already forfeited our votes ad-infinitum to BJP, BJP is taking us for a ride! Enough, but no more, I say!
If i am not wrong then i think this amarnath is creating confusion among the minds of bjp supporter.
is it a ploy again from psec-sec people as if u see the All thecomments of Mr.Amarnath in the past …his comment is creating just confusion about bjp.
“Since we have already forfeited our votes ad-infinitum to BJP, BJP is taking us for a ride! Enough, but no more, I say!”
The above line says all about Amarnath….
create confusion in the mind of Nationalist so that they wont vote and so psec congress won.
Amarnah dear u expect 100% from bjp and want us to dump it even if they fail 1%……but can tolerate this Italian Govt who fails 100% in all aspect
i
You are right prashant.. this amarnath guy is playing with us.
See how the anti-national CPI(M) is pushed to a corner by its own MP. CPI(M) only likes praising of dictators, that too from foreign communist dictators, like Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot etc., They cannot stand praising of any indigenous personalities, and if it is a hindu it is surely a red rag for them. Read this :
New Delhi, Jan 16 (IANS) A.P. Abdullakutty, Communist Party of India-Marxist (CPI-M) MP from Kerala, Friday said that although he doesn’t agree with Narendra Modi’s ‘communal agenda’, he was impressed by the Gujarat chief minister’s development initiatives.
Abdullakutty, who has been representing Kannur constituency in parliament for the last two terms, had stirred a controversy by stating on Dec 29 that Modi’s development model for Gujarat should be emulated in Kerala for attracting more investments.
The CPI-M, known for its anti-Modi stand, had asked Abdullakutty to explain why action should not be taken against him for praising the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) leader.
In his five-page written reply to Kannur district leadership of the party, Abdullakutty said Modi’s efforts towards economic development of Gujarat were praiseworthy.
‘I cannot forgive Modi for his role in the 2002 Gujarat violence. I don’t agree with his communal agenda. But I have given full marks to his development programmes (in the reply),’ Abdullakutty told IANS on phone from Kerala’s Kannur town.
In his statement to Malayalam television channels in Dubai in December, Abdullakutty also described Gujarat as the country’s number-one investor-friendly state.
He had referred to Ratan Tata’s decision to pull out the small car project from West Bengal and subsequent intervention by Modi to bring the project to Gujarat.
The statement created a storm in the CPI-M with T.K. Hamsa, another party MP from Kerala, criticising Abdullakutty for praising Modi. Some party leaders even call him mad.
http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/story.aspx?id=NEWEN20090080291
A concerned Bangalorean has urged fellow citizens to switch off their mobile phone on January 30, especially the networks promoted by the Tatas, Ambani and Sunil Bharti Mittal.
“If millions of people switch off their phones, I think the message will be sent across peacefully,” says documentary filmmaker Rajan Kamath.
WOW,I just recall one song in this ocassion
Tujhe Mirchi lagi to hum kya kare
Prashant: We should keep our mobiles switched on and use it to the maximum on 30th January. Who is this jerk to ask people to switch off mobile phone on 30th.
These Congress chamchas are green with envy.
@ prashant, drummasala
I do not know if Amarnath here has a hidden agenda.
But questioning the actions of politicians are a given in a democratic system.
If we do not do that we may be bringing on our own downfall.
The Con-gress and left and others have shown themselves to be beyond all reason through their actions.
Its only BJP that one can hope will listen to reason, and to put national interest above party and individual interest (may be too much to hope!).
Therefore we must definitely bring out all the wrongs that is seen. To clamp down on criticism (genuine ones) means only that we don’t have the stomach to take criticism. That would mean that we merely hope that BJP will take care of everything if elected to power.
Criticism also is a valuable feedback mechanism that hopefully will help the BJP leadership know the concerns of the layman and respond positively.
There are too many things that are not in order in the BJP camp and continued ‘blinkers on’ attitude will be very bad for India too.
@prashant: If i am not wrong then i think this amarnath is creating confusion among the minds of bjp supporter.
You are almost correct. Only you called it ‘confusion’, and I call it ‘critical-thinking’.
I do want to creat a debate among blind-folded BJP supporters to ask themselves whether BJP is an end in itself or just the means to reach some other end.
If it is a ‘means’ towards some other end, then whether BJP as it is today really headed towards that ‘end’ that was set forth by its founding fathers? Can, for example, Mr. L K Advani stand up and say clearly what Dr. Syama Prasad Mookerjee did at the time of the partition of India. Can he, for example, say that he supports Mookerjee’s stand on Hindu-Muslim population exchange between Pakistan and India? (Although what I suggested is only symbolic, but the whole worldview of current BJP leaders is entirely different from BJS founding-fathers.)
Then you said:
Amarnah dear u expect 100% from bjp and want us to dump it even if they fail 1%
No Prashant dear, I didn’t say that. Failure and Success are not in anyone’s hand. But the right attempt surely is. I simply am aghast at the secularism now prevalent in BJP! Where is the question of success and failure in it? They are transforming themselves to a more-secular party, and saying it in so many words. Where is success and failure in that?
so that they wont vote and so psec congress won.
what can I say to this. Up to you whatever you think.
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