Afte more than 2 years of paying lip service to anti-terrorism, the Manmohan Singh lead UPA Government belatedly acted on its promise of acting against terrorism with two concrete moves in the form of bills introduced in Parliament.
- NIA Bill of 2008 to setup a federal agency to investigate and prosecute acts of terror
- Unlawful Activities (Prevention) Amendment Bill
While the first fixes an important gap in our National Security Architecture in how terrorist incidents are investigated and how the guilty are brought to justice, it suffers a major flaw:
The bill approaches Terrorism with a “Law and Order” mindset thus hampers itself within the constitutional constraints of “Law and Order” being a state subject. To get around this, the bill requires a State Government to ask the NIA to investigate an act of terror with a 15 day window for the Center to make a decision if it “wants to investigate”
The second while arming the newly investigation agency with legal provisions that aid in the prosecution of terrorism related cases it too is limited to filling gaps in the National Security Architecture, after the terror has struck.
But here is the problem with this “reluctant”, “half baked” response of the Manmohan Singh Government.
Even if we had the NIA and if we had the legal provisions of the “unlawful activities prevention” bill, it still
- would have provided us with no insurance that the Mumbai Attacks could have been prevented.
- would have left Mumbai at the mercy of the first responders in containing the impact once the attacks were underway
- would have left it unclear on who is incharge and where the buck stops as far as protocols of command, control and communication that ought to have been triggered
In a nutshell, the Manmohan Singh UPA Government’s response says nothing at all on how the National Security Architecture shall be transformed to “prevent” the next Mumbai attack and to “manage ” the response if and when the next Mumbai attack is underway ?
This half baked approach to terrorism has been symptomatic of the delinquency with which the Manmohan Singh Government has responded to terrorism where the buck never stops at the Prime Minister’s Office.
This is exactly the reason why Offstumped had called for the formulation of a “Strategy” first before making concrete recommendations which at best are isolated attempts to filling a gap while not adding up to a wholistic and integrated overhaul of the National Security Architecture.
It is also unclear if the latest move of the UPA gives any hope to the thousands of victims of terror that their cry for justice would be finally heard with the NIA acting with retrospective effect to bring the elusive perpetrators to justice by bringing investigations to closure on all past acts of mass terror during the UPA regime.
So in effect, the latest move of the UPA is really cold comfort to the “aam admi” that if god forbid he or she were to fall victim to a future act of terror, the odds that the perpetrators will be brought to justice would be higher.
It is no wonder that Industry Leaders like Ratan Tata have decided to make their own investments in creating an effective deterrent to against future acts of terror targetting his company’s staff or assets.
In closing Offstumped has just one question of the Prime Minister
How sir will you assure the “aam admi” that your latest measures will prevent the next Mumbai Attack from happening ?
Filed under: DesiPundit, Lok Sabha Polls 2008-2009, War on Mumbai, War on Terror, betrayal of aam admi, jeetega-bharat
(In Bangla accent)
Shri Moan-Moan-Sing will detour terrorishm bith the shear force of his pershonality.
/Sarc off
Seriously, what does our sub-prime minister now propose?
Guys bit Off topic -
I am not sure about this posting but worth reminding. If you want to here – Arun Shourie’s speech about terrorism the please go to youtube. There if you search his name 6 videos about terrorism will come up. They were speeches delivered in Bangalore but content is almost same as his RS speech as I read his RS speech and heard the same in Youtube. It was really inspiring.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/JL16Ak02.html
Article on Pakistan.
” I have good reason to believe that the Indian authorities lied about the attack. India claimed that 10 shooters were involved, because nine were killed and one captured. The actual number is closer to 30, I am reliably informed, not counting support personnel in Mumbai who arranged safe houses with extra ammunition and explosives months in advance of the attack.”
Article by Kanchan Gupta in Daily Pioneer
http://dailypioneer.com/144038/Mumbai%E2%80%99s-Butcher-and-human-rights.html
Now that the din of national outrage over the death and destruction in Mumbai, caused by 10 Pakistani fidayeen of whom one has missed the bus to jannat and thus left 72 gossamer-clad, kohl-eyed houris distraught at being deprived of the privilege of leading him through the pearly gates to the limitless pleasures that lie beyond, human rights activists and their cohorts in media have begun to crawl out of the holes in which they have been hiding since November 26. For the past couple of days, they have been crowding the studios of 24×7 news channels and airing their views dripping with compassion for Ajmal Amir Kasab, also known as, and justifiably so, ‘The Butcher of Mumbai’.
BJP should stop arguing over this bill and support it.
BUT, it must ask the Congress a very simple question (and repeatedly ask this question).
With the new provisions of this bill how will the process work in convicting Kasab?
If his confession is not admissible, if his telephone intercepts are not admissible, can we even hold him in custody.
WTH……
Again, keep it simple – dont let Congress off the hook – keep it simple and allow Congress to tie themselves in knots.
AR Anthulay has already opposed this bill – “it will be used against minorities”.
This bill will put Congress in the old ‘Liquid Oxygen’ – Liquid unhey jiney nahi dega aur oxygen unhey marney nahi dega.
If the BJP talks too much they will come across as spoil sports and the media will help the congress paint them into a corner.
KISS – Keep it simple…..
http://www.odishatoday.com/orissa/Maoists_warns_Puri_Seer_with_dire_consequence_171208-3587327918.html
Maoists warns Puri Seer with dire consequence
By Anurjay Dhal
Last updated: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 01:58:28 GMT
Bhubaneswar ( Orissa): The outlawed CPI (Maoists) on Tuesday warned Puri Sankaracharya Jagadaguru Swami Nischalananda Saraswati with dire consequence.
The outfit in a threat letter, that sent to the Gobardhan Pitha in Puri, about 60 kilometers from here, has alleged that the Hindu Seer has been spreading communal feelings and dividing society on religious lines.
After receiving the threat letter, the disciples of the Hindu Seer, have filed an FIR with Sea Beach Police State in the pilgrimage town. Meanwhile, police have started investigation into the issue.
“We have reviewed security measures at Gobardhan Pitha and efforts are on to know, where the letter was dispatched,” a top Intelligence official said. Puri Superintendent of Police Asit Kumar Panigrahi while confirming the threat letter, said, Investigations are on and the police force was alert. He also said a close vigil was being maintained in and around the Mutt.
Since the fire brand Hindu Seer known for his bold stand against conversion, and has been demanding stern action against the anti Hindu forces responsible for conversion has earned the wrath non-Hindu fundamentalists.
Recently, the Ministry of Home Affairs had directed Orissa Government to immediately provide Z Category security for Puri Seer in view of threat to life. MHA reportedly received inputs from intelligence agencies regarding threat on Puri Seer’s life.
On November 28, 2007, the Seer had received a threat mail from al-Qaeda, warning him of dire consequences if he does not embrace Islam. The disciples of Shankaracharya had received the postcard, carrying the threat.
Earlier, the Gobardhan mutt authorities received a threat letter, which stated that the mutt would be blown up and the Seer eliminated. Gobardhan Peetha is one of the four important mutts of Hindu faith in the country founded by Adi Sankaracharya.
@Coolncrazy, thanks for the link. Shourie is GOD.
Classic Shourie: “The Shivraj Patil of the economy has been given Shivraj patil’s job by the Shivraj Patil of the Government”.
What a line…..classic.
It is hightime that kaaangress should be voted out of power.. they are abusing Hinduism and Hindu matts and Saints and sanyasis… in the next Loksabha election congress should only get 73 seats.. not more than that.. This sub-primeminister remoted controlled by sania mullah maino is good for nothing he is a “sitting duck” or Lame Yellow Duck who says kuwa kuswa…kasab should be shot and dead/. Other wise kaaangress your d-day is here.
Folks, after watching Mr. Shourie’s speech on youtube I’m convinced that we cannot wait.
Another factured mandate in 2009 will set us back by another 20 years.
There wont be a more apportune time.
America is drowning $2 trillion dollars of debt. Chinese factories are closing at several hundred a month. They are also adding 12 million workers to their work force every year.
Saudis are hamstrung by the low price of oil.
Such perfect opportunity may never come and if it does – it may be too late.
We cant wait for India to elect Modi – and mind you, he will need a solid mandate.
We must launch a people’s movement that turns pakistan into a beggar nation – more so than it already is.
Lets take their inflation rate to 50% – and then watch how the masses turn on the Punjabi elite that control the Army and ISI.
we can do this. We could target all MNCs that have operations in pakistan.
If you sell to pakistan – we wont buy your goods in India.
We can target individual pakistani products – export products and promote our own in the international markets.
we can stop watching/listening to their artists.
We can stop buying products that are being imported from pakistan as part of India giving Pakistan a MFN (Most favoured nation) status – can you believe this last bit – they kill us and we designate them a favoured nation.
No one will come to our aid. The west is aging with only American population growing due to immigration.
China wont lift a finger.
Unless you would like to go back to the 7th century and live like Mullah Omar – wake up.
Just tell these (and other measures) to your near and dear ones. Ask them to spread the word to their near and dear ones.
In this world of SMSs and email. This is possible.
We dont have to make a big noise about it. Every drop will count…make it count….
The opposition to the new bill and NIA has not come from BJP but from Congis’ own allies like Lallu and Paswan. Even their erstwhile ally Commies are against this. Their logic “it will be used against minorities.”
In that case can someone explain to me how did Ajmal and Ismail get fake ID cards of a college in which a Hyderabad address is given? How will this entire chain be linked if laws like these are not passed?
Yesterday on Newshour on TimesNOW Arun Jaitley made a valid point that these conspiracies are hatched in secrecy and when they are fidayeen attacks it becomes doubly impossible to trace the routes as the main perps are dead and their handlers have long fled the scene. Thats why catching Kasab is a great achievement.
The Left by masquerading as a concerned party is fooling no one and everyone knows where Lallu and Paswan’s hearts lie. NOT WITH TERROR VICTIMS THATS FOR SURE!! As for Congis just because people did not consider terror atacks during the assembly elections does not mean that terror has ceased to be a talking point.
@Mpanj, thanks dear,
another gem from his speech. When every one in the government is saying and suggesting since 2006 that sea route is susceptible – “To whom are you saying? are you consultant to the government? ” -:) really this government is utterly incompatible, in spite of all intelligence information couldn’t do anything.
May be MMS is just trying to somehow pass his time, and just for the sake of some argument to go on in the media and press they have floated all this cock and bull story to some how engage the masses upto election. After the results of Delhi and Rajasthan do you think they need to revise their stratagies on terrorism. They are getting more muslim votes then ever before and these figures of Delhi and Raj must have sent the chill down the spine of SP and BSP, as we may see some of their consituencies changing sides towards congress in the coming Lok sabha election of UP.
My view is that this democracy is just for keeping people like you and me engage in finding a solution to the problem of Terror strikes across the country. Rising threat to the internal security. Flooding of our country with bangladeshis infiltrators.
If you really want to rule this country or be it ruled by the some nationalistic minds i think we really should work hard for some alternative form of Government.
If VP Singh was reponsible for the deterioration of Indian Polity, through Mandal-Identity Politics, which still is an obstacle in speeder development and accurate social justice, MMS will be responsible for peddling a fiercely anti-majoritarian policy w.r.t terrorism , which can potentially lead to the balkanisation of India.Ind0-US deal is another sell-off from MMS whose punitive terms could potentially harm harm us for generations.
What a pity/coincidence these 2 men entered politics as Back-room boys of the Pseudo-Gandhu Parivar and were never seen as authoritative representatives of any of people’s bloc.
The Only pan-Indian leader is LKA and Modi comes a close second and if we fail to pass the baton to these Loh/ Vikas Purush Duo, the unbecoming of India may very well be on the cards.
Not sure if someone has already posted this – but Shourie’s recent speech.
Part 1 here – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hoa3qDWmAQk
The key to the issue is the aam admi’s psyche which is convinced that if you don’t appease the Muslims, they will turn violent against the Hindus and the Govt. will only be a silent spectator. Pl remember that the BJP didn’t do anything to change that opinion while in power.
Hence, my oft repeated plea- BJP the brand should assure safety against Islamic violence and then see the results. Even the moderate middle class muslims share the same psyche-they are also equally afraid of the extreme Islamic elements and would be keen to protect their progeny and property. NAMO demonstrated that guarantee post- Godhra in Ahmedabad and hence the votes including the muslims.
Kng Iyer:
There is a flaw in yr argument.Why should we look at a a part of our population as Muslims only? Why not as legal,natural citizens of this country who are entitled to safety, security, prosperity, education and rights as much as Hindus, Jain, Sikhs etc?
Why should BJP go out on a limb to assure this community only because it worships a different God? What abt those many others who have sacrificed their lives?
Apart from Guj 2002 where else did u see riots during NDA’s tenure from 1999 – 2004? As u rightly pointed out NaMo was and has been successful in stemming riots in Gujarat since 2002, so to whom should this achievement go to – the Congress which has made it an international issue or the BJP which has moved on to better things?
BJP has always maintained equality for all and appeasement for none. That shud be the mantra not assurances against Islamic violence and thus sounding like a B team of the COngress.
CNN-IBN Report: Once again this channel and Congress through Antulay are bringing Malegaon blasts to the fore. Antulay says that late Shri Karkare was digging some thing on Malegaon blast and his killing is something more than meets the eye. It seems he is imputing motive; once again trying to divert attention from the Mumbai Terror attack. He is against the new anti-terror law saying that it can be mis-used against the minority community (as if it cannot be misused against any other community). This man has become communal to core and represents the congress view point.
Actually what is he implying ?
Why the Congress through Antulay wants to bring Malegaon blast and Karkare to the picture to divert the attention from Mumbai blast ? Whether they want to say that Karkare and all others are killed by some hindu outfits and Kasab and other terrorists belong to the said hindu outfit. By alluding motives Congress and Antulay want to play into the hands of Pakistan. Is this orchestration is intended to help Pakistan ? Pakistan has not acknowledged the citizenship of Kasab and other terrorists, rather they dispute it. Then these kinds of orchestrations are definitely to help Pakistan.
A thorough inquiry should be ordered comprising all aspects, including what this Antuly has stated and his motive etc. If he has got any proof, he should come clean with it. Otherwise why he is making such statements should be looked into and suitable action should be taken.
WOW,So Karkare was kILLD BY “Hindu terrorism”
so Congress is playing Politics on the Hemant Karkare supported by MSM.
But other days they were accusing BJP for playing politics on this????
Here at “Arun Shourie talks on Terror, Islam, Pakistan, and spineless Government of India” you can watch all of the speeches by Arun Shourie post 11/26 terrorist attack.
@Topic
It took this derelict government 4 and a half long years to remove fashion-fanatic Shivraj Patil from Home Ministry, only fools will be fooled again with this eye wash step by this Anti-Hindu communal Government.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Govt_disapproves_of_non-state_law_enforcers_like_Salwa_Judum/articleshow/3850452.cms?TOI_latestnews
In a virtual disapproval of anti-Naxalite group ‘Salwa Judum’ in Chhattisgarh, Union Home Minister P Chidambaram on Wednesday said the
Centre was not in favour of “non-state” actors taking the job of law enforcement in their hands.
“We are not in favour of non-state actors taking law enforcement in their hands,” he said replying to supplementaries during Question Hour in Rajya Sabha.
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Well if this worthless government is not interested in cleaning up the secessionists then what other choices are the people left with but to clean the dirty linen themselves. Chidambaram is the new Shivraj Patil.
Blogger:
Salwa Judum was suggested by a Congi MLA from Chattisgarh during Ajit Jogi’s reign.
And yes u r right some body has to clean up the mess that this govt has left us. Who will it be – people like us during the elections but wouldn’t we be ‘non state actors’?
Yoss,
I am not sure I understand your problems with the bill.
“The bill approaches Terrorism with a “Law and Order” mindset ..”
Law & Order is in the State list for the purposes of separation of legislative powers ONLY.That is, State govts are allowed to make laws related to law and order in their state. That need not stop the Union from coming out with a law or setting up an agency.
Also, in terms of execution, there are many police agencies under the control of the Union such as CISF, CBI, BSF, Coast Guard etc.Not to speak of the All India services which include the Indian Police Service. The IPS officers though they work in States, are under the control of the Union.
The NIA bill, as I understand is specifically an anti-terrorism investigation and prosecution initiative.Not an anti-terror fighting unit.That should obviously be the local police, and the State ATS and (hopefully) the NSG unit located nearest to the place of terrorist action.
It is entirely in keeping with the ethos of a federal administrative system to require that an FIR be filed at the local police station where a terror incident has occurred.Let the NIA start the investigation after obtaining the FIR and other on field reports from local police/available union police forces.
Let me paint the scenario for you:
1.There is an intelligence alert about suspected terror attack on an industrial unit in one of our Metros.The alert could come from any source, but would be investigated primarily by the NIA. The state police, the CISF, and the state ATS would then join hands to take preventive steps/preventive detention of suspects etc. The nearest NSG will be kept ready (always, 24/7/365 availability).
2.In spite of all these precautions, the terrorists manage to strike, though the damage is limited.Or, the terrorists strike some where else in a totally unexpected manner. After the incident, the local police will file an FIR and handover all the available material to the NIA. If the incident is minor, the NIA has the choice to inform state police that it (state police) can proceed with the investigation on its own.They need to inform the state police about this decision in 2 weeks time.
Sounds reasonable and practical to me.
Yoss says: “would have left it unclear on who is incharge and where the buck stops as far as protocols of command, control and communication that ought to have been triggered ”
But, if we look at the recent Mumbai attacks, it was not so much the command and control issue, it was more of a perception issue.It was very clear that after the NSG entered the picture, the state police were only entrusted with keeping the media and curious onlookers away from the scene of action. (And they failed in that as well). Inspite of the Maha police chief categorically mentioning that they (State Police) are just assisting and that the NSG is conducting the ops, the media kept asking questions, and he kept answering them, based on his limited knowledge of what was happening. And then the Marine Commandos had no business to speak to the media.But they did
AFAIK, the local police chief is in command to start with; if the NSG or any other Union police force (CISF, BSF, MarCos, NSG) steps in, they head the command and control.This is how it gets done.The fact that it was not done properly in Mumbai indicates that our forces need some training.It may not require a new law, IMO.
“would have left Mumbai at the mercy of the first responders in containing the impact once the attacks were underway ”
This again is an execution issue and not a legislative issue. We can impose emergency, and still have terror attacks causing huge losses, if the Police are not trained properly and equipped properly. Are you saying that we need a law to be enacted so that funds can be given to the police to buy enough Ak 47s and war-quality Kevlars? Lets face it, wherever the Pakistanis went in South Mumbai, there were police. But the police had lathis and no Kevlars.No need for a law to fix this. It should have been fixed by now, if we have any sense.
“would have provided us with no insurance that the Mumbai Attacks could have been prevented.”
No Yoss, no law can provide that assurance/insurance.If the intelligence and police failures continue, we will continue to have these attacks.At best, the law provides for preventive detention.The police already do that without a proper Unlawful Activities (Prevention) bill.
Sorry for hogging the board..promise this will be the last comment from me in a while
What I am trying to say in the above 2 comments: There is no point in analyzing the law threadbare and then asking questions related to actual execution. We don’t have an effective, apolitical federal agency with enormous powers to investigate across the States.And if the bill gets passed by 3/4th of our state legislatures, we will have the NIA.Good.
What we need in reality is a list of action items related to execution – more police men and women, more funds for cultivating information networks in India and abroad, better equipment and training, and above al, accountability of the bureaucrats sitting in high positions.
And we need to use the list of action items and ask our leaders about the status – every month or every week.
In that sense, I think your post is confusing the issue.The NIA bill drama is being enacted by the politicians (of all hues) and the bureaucrats, to fool the public.Let us not get sidetracked by this diversion.
And thanks for the patience in reading my comments
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/minister-doubts-who-killed-ats-chief-karkare/80761-3.html
DO YOU BELIEVE WE CAN PREVENT THE ATTACKS WITH MINISTERS LIKE THESE?
NOT A CHANCE HELL GUYS.
Kumar – you are missing the point. NIA as an outcome of an overall strategy is fine, there are limitations but one can live them till we clean up the constitution. The point of this post is where is the larger strategy for prevention ? if the UPA thinks the NIA bill is the larger strategy to fight terror as the media is portraying it then it is cold comfort.
kumar – you make my case in your latter comments on action items. Thats what i mean it all has to add up to an overall strategy that looks at the end to end national security architecture.
Btw this is not a constitutional ammendment bill, your point on 3/4 state legislatures doesnt apply.
Also NIA is not a prevention agency it wont investigate “intelligence alerts” so that scenario doesnt make sense eithe.r
>>http://ibnlive.in.com/news/minister-doubts-who-killed-ats-chief-karkare/80761-3.html
>>DO YOU BELIEVE WE CAN PREVENT THE ATTACKS WITH MINISTERS LIKE THESE?
NOT A CHANCE HELL GUYS.
I expect all those media clowns who went ballistic at Sushma Swaraj to say ….. nothing about Cement Case Antulay’s claims.
I’m just worried that, this statement by Abtulay will trigger another wave of social activism like a la Afzal Guru..
@Esh,
The truth in Orissa today sounds very much like, Maoists are complicit with Militant Christian groups. This is not an implication against christianity, but, people who are conspiring to defame the state..
Already it seems proven , most maoists are christians there.
If you observe, that lenin story in Orissa, he is supposed to have maoist links and he writes about RSS activities. Sounds like a co-oridnated activity.
Things look quite bad…
Ot: This man A.R. Antulay is deliberately trying to deflect the entire Mumbai mayhem by Pakistan based jehadis. A narco test on him is absolutely necessary to ascertain why he is speaking totally in an irresponsible way like this and on whose direction he is doing it. Pakistan is denying that the captured terrorist is not a Pakistani citizen. Now this man is saying that there is something different attributing the heinous crime of the jehadis to some others. Is he speaking on behalf of the Congress. Or he is speaking like this on behalf of his masters living elsewhere ? A thorough probe is called for.
Umesh: The way this man has made such a remark is really disgusting. Is this the secularism of Congress ? Birds of same feathers flock together. There is no other reason for this kind of insinuation.
offtopic:
@yoss boss, Shouldn’t you have a logo or something reflecting offstumped? Your twitter page also carries the default picture.
Also I think I liked the original tagline — “For all things right of center” better than this Dharma thing.
You too seem to be tieing yourself in knots just like the BJP leadership.
counterview – good idea as you can i see i am more verbally oriented than graphically any logo contributions are welcome. On the tagline more education is needed. people often confuse dharma for political correctness. it is not.
[...] the debate in parliament progresses on the two bills for creating a new national agency to investigate and prosecute terror and for new legal provisions [...]
Somehow i do not see this news anywhere on the sickular channels.
http://www.samaylive.com/news/rane-hits-out-at-deshmukh-for-security-failure/601579.html
I wonder if all the major contributors in this blog like Bharat, Gujjuman , kng iyer, KSV Subramanian, Ot, Shaan, rationalist and counterview know Yoss already .I am also given to understand that all of you stay at US currently employed in Big US IT/Finance Corporations.
The avaerage age of this core contingent should be around 30, just like mine and I really appreciate your initiative and zeal towards the larger ideological goal, a strong, prosperous and self-confident INDIA.
Great to know that Yoss, 30+ youngster has the sagacity and stamina to assume a key strategic / catalytic role within the Netizens .OFFSTUMPED is indded one unique media net offering whose very style / template / format is appealing for the commentators(ppl who post comments) .
I only hope offstumped becomes a financially viable medium for its promoters . I have a couple of suggestions(w.r.t Logo/branding/to popularise) which I am sure will share with Yoss @ his mail id yossarin@nationalinterest.in.Pls correct me ,Yoss, if there is achange in your above mail ID.
Rightist – thx send to offstumped-at-gmail-dot-com
“How will you prevent the next Mumbai Attack Mr. Prime Minister ?”
Umm…perhaps by writing a strongly worded condemnation of terrorist attacks!
“How will you prevent the next Mumbai Attack Mr. Prime Minister ?”
ManMohini:-… Yessh.. will taell you after consulting to sonia madamme. I donno how she wants to make up the stories. i have consulted rajdeep, burkha & sagarika along with pronnoy. waiting for the reply. (usual manmohini style)
Hi,
I think it doesn’t stated the security increase in state-level.
This law only applicable after the terrorists had done the damage and caught. What about the people killed in any blast?
There is no mention of precaution measures taken to curb taken.
I don’t think this law is good enough.
Indian Hindu groups to back ‘Hindu Tamils’ in Sri Lanka
The Rashtriya Swayamsewak Sangh (RSS) and Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) told M.K. Shivaji Lingam of the Tamil National Alliance (TNA) separately that they opposed assaults on Hindu shrines and culture in Sri Lanka.
‘You can tell your people that we will be with them. We are here to help Hindus. Since most Sri Lankan Tamils are Hindus, we won’t let them down,’ the Sri Lankan MP quoted HP chief Ashok Singhal as telling him at the group’s headquarters here.
http://in.news.yahoo.com/43/20081217/812/tnl-indian-hindu-groups-to-back-hindu-ta.html
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All Hindu organizations and Hindus, across the world, must support our Hindu brethens in Sri Lanka. Barbaric Sri Lankan govt ethnically cleansed more than a million Tamil Hindus from SL and they trying to annihilate the remaining Hindus. There are not a single Sinhalese living outside as refugees, but only Tamils. Then, why called Tamils as terrorists? This is akin to sickular Indian media-political parties protecting Jihadis and framing innocent Hindus as terrorists. They destroying HIndu mandirs and cultural places, only to erase Hindu culture and heritage, akin to Jihadi style.
Its time, Hindu organizations in Bharat, warn Sri Lankan barbarians to stop butchering of Hindus and solve the problem through negotiation. Else, Hindus worldwide must openly support and help Hindus of SL in their fight for justice.
Hindus of SL protected their dharma and culture, despite onslaught by chrsitian missionaries. They are so proud of Swami Vivekananda, perhaps one can’t feel that proudness in Bengal.
Hindus of Tamil Nadu are alienated from other parts of Bharat, by a well calibrated strategy of anti-Hindu Congress and a section of desh-drohi Hindus for their vested interests. Fifth columnists Hindus are worst than enemies outside.
Bharat
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[...] The government has introduced two Bills in this House — one to set up a National Investigation Agency (NIA) and the other to amend the law to bring in more stringent provisions to deal with terror crimes. Home Minister Shri P. Chidambaram introduced these two bills The National Investigation Agency Bill 2008 and the Unlawful Activities (Prevention) Amend…. [...]
Kumar – more food for thought for you
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/TOP_ARTICLE__Plug_The_Security_Holes/articleshow/3847166.cms
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1081218/jsp/nation/story_10268364.jsp
@ Yossarin
It is not possible to prevent the next Mumbai attack. It is not possible to prevent the next Delhi attack, Ahmedabad attack or Hyderabad attack either.
Israel, which has one of the most aggressive anti terror infrastructures, and the small population and discipline to take any measure, cannot prevent bomb blasts in its territory. Mumbai is a joke, compared to that.
Taj and Oberoi can be secured. What about VT station? Without any planning, anyone can walk into VT station with a little revolve and kill 5 people easily, any time, any day, under any government, despite any law. A slightly motivated terrorist group can keep doing it – 5 people a day, 365 days an year. No commando training needed, no planning needed.
You can kill 5 people a day anywhere in India, any time. No government can prevent that.
If you want to secure India and its citizens, ha, how about spending a few trillion dollars in a 100 times bigger police force, 100 times better coastal patroling, CC TV cameras everywhere?
If it is to be done, we have to create the biggest anti terror infrastructure in the world.
Or everyone can keep talking.
Ramu – Its about the kind of society and culture of vigilance you create and quality of governance you deliver at the lowest level. It can be done and doesnt need a trillion dollar budget on day 1.(and look he is talking dollars and not rupees
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With India’s population, infrastructure and all related issues, there is no way we can have that kind of society and vigilance at any level. We have the highest level of vigilance and security supposedly at the Parliament, and we know what happened. It would have happened irrespective of which government was in power, or which laws were around. And it will continue to happen. India cannot be secured using all these wimpy laws and speeches – we want to do that, talk money.
Mumbai for example. As long as Mumbai is as crowded and overstretched as it is, it is a simple matter to attack it. If you want to fix that, you need money and willingness, which the crooks in every party won’t even want to talk about. And we won’t make them talk either, as yours and my objective is primarily to get our party into power irrespective of what they can really deliver. I can guarantee that whichever party comes to power, terror attacks will keep happening.
you want to secure Mumbai, do this. Let people refuse to travel or even come to VT station unless the government proves to them how they will fix the city. You can see govt of india shit bricks then.
Yes, I meant trillion dollar purely because it sounded like a huge amount of money
I am not an NRI.
This is exactly the reason why Offstumped had called for the formulation of a “Strategy” first before making concrete recommendations which at best are isolated attempts to filling a gap while not adding up to a wholistic and integrated overhaul of the National Security Architecture.
Seems you are asking for a top-down approach whilst they are working from the opposite direction ?
Maybe because the impression is its at the ‘execution’ level that things did not work. The extremeties were not sensitive enough to inform the centre in time and after the fact weren’t coordinated enough.
Would it be fair to say that until that coordination is put in place that any grand strategy would also suffer the same fate ?
blr_p – yep thats why i said there are 3 elements – what needs to be done to pre-empt attacks and eliminate threats, what needs to be done to manage attacks already underway and then of couse what needs to be done in the aftermath to investigate and prosecute.
My contention was until the co-ordination part is up & working, there can’t be, any grand strategy. As it would be a similar problem, great plan but poor execution, yet again.
I’d imagine the armed forces would be better co-ordinated than the civilian side, yet don’t have a joint chiefs of staff even at their level.
I wonder if this is any indicator of the distance to be covered before we can successfully execute any plan or strategy.
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