Two stories in the Indian Express and the NDTV have caught Offstumped’s attention courtesy fellow INI bloggers.
The stories are striking for all the wrong reasons. With neither attributable sources nor a respect for accuracy of facts, both the stories feed into insinuations and rumors?that have been doing the rounds for some time now by known apologists of Jihadi Terrorism.
While the story in the Indian Express names the Hindu Jagaran Manch and gets very specific about the group being based in Indore and having links to the ABVP it neither explains what it means “by links to ABVP” nor does it name who the Police sources for this story.
The second story in the NDTV is a disgrace to journalism or any kind of news reporting. It is careless in its reportage by referring to single instances of 1 bomb blast in each city by characterising them as “multiple blasts” while being stunningly thin in its details.
We will hopefully in the days to come learn more if this was a mere insinuation or an inspired story to help the Congress or if there is more substance to it . Either way the Police must identify the culprits and send a loud and clear message to them and those who inspired them.
Be that as it may Offstumped takes the opportunity to make it very clear that any “Jagran Manch” that condones or espouses violence for the Hindu cause, is un-Hindu and any attempts to rationalize such violence would be Adharma.
Tarun Vijay said it very eloquently earlier that you cannot defend Dharma with Adharma.
Offstumped will go a step further to say that those who indulge in Adharma are a far greater threat to Hindu Dharma than the proselytizers or the Jihadists, and here is why.
By resorting to Adharma they do nothing to advance Hindu Dharma intellectually. Instead they reduce it to be no better than monotheistic faiths that condone violence against non-believers. They foster victimhood while offering no vision or direction for how the next generation Indian can relate to Dharma and practice the Hindu way of life in the 21st Century.
Offstumped Bottomline: Aggresive Proselytism and Jihadist Terrorism must be fought and defeated. But that must be done intellectually, politically, legally through righteous actions. Giving in to adharma only strengthens?the ?Communal Socialist spin meisters of the Congress who have been persisting with their pathetic attempts to draw moral equivalences between Jihadi Terrorism?imported from across the borders with one off acts of violence by fringe groups who dont represent the mainstream.
Filed under: War on Terror
Yossarin, in the Dangs district, Namo is doing his best.
Educational camps are held. The drop out rate is dropping among the tribals. Moreover other Dharmic orgs. are there to prevent further inroads by evangelical terrorists.
But in other states, where there is no Namo and the evangelical terrorists are about to strike you down, how does one fight with them. You cant invite them to burn your houses, deface your places of worship and then ‘click photos ‘ (as some ‘intellectuals’ want to do) and send to Rajdeep TV to claim being persecuted by the evangelical terrorists. The Rajdeep TV guys will not even publish it. Moreover when your house is under attack, women and children are hurt, you either run or stand and give the adharmic elements a taste of their own medicine.
The BJp should atleast construct a strong national law to check conversions and completely ban them this time. Else the adharmic will keep attacking and the foolish hindus will say ” Why dont you click photos and distribute in the internet” !!!
Yossarin,
If this is true,, its sad day for hindutva movement. RSS and BJP should quickly chip and demand thorough inquiry into it. They should also ask for speedy justice and punishment without any bureaucratic delays. This is not acceptable.
Moreover, the adharmic elements are spin masters. Consider the false stories they manufacture.
A prime example is the nun story which is completely fabricated. How do you fight in a dharmic way when others are hell bent on bringing down on your house?
” Aggresive Proselytism and Jihadist Terrorism must be fought and defeated. But that must be done intellectually, politically, legally through righteous actions. ”
Intellectually impossible, unless you have Arundhati types intellectuals on your side
Politically possible .
Legally Possible. But these political and legal options are not available to you and me.
And when the jihadi crowd is at the doors, you got to do something to repel them. To the tribal in Kandh, his home and his place of worship is of paramount importance to him So it is to us. He cannot ‘intellectually’ dissuade the Proselyting pdres. Hence what will he do?
As someone rightly said:
Secularism is when evangelicals and jihadi kill himndus.
Communal violence is when Hindus refuse to die politely
There is a saying in Tamil, which I am certain has its roots in Hindu Dharma – you can kill even a cow that attempts to kill you.
Yossarin,
But, what is Dharma? “Jeevanam vardhanam chaapi dhriyate saha Dhrmaha”. It varies from person to person.
To a saint, it is the sanctity of his austerity that is Dharma,
To a householder, the protection and sustenance of his family,
To a politician, the safety and prosperity of the nation.
Yes, killing innocents and inciting religious hatred is adharma by any standards.
One pertinent question is how do you fight the adharmic forces?What has SriKrishna done in Kurukshetra war is the best example to fight adharmic elements. Those who tread the path of adharma have no rights to any dharma. It is the dharma of the capable to finish those adharmic elelments in whatever way possible. The path you take to finish adharma to establish dharma is justified in itself.
Yes, the prioritization forces should be fought legally and politically.But, when these forces resort to illegal techniques and bad politics, do you think one can defeat them legally and politically?
Whoever says that his god is the only truth and only path is a fundamentalist and has no right to Dharma and he can be defeated in any way whenever he becomes a danger to the society.
sorry, that was Proselytisation forces in the previous post.
No violence for defending dharma?
Doesn’t that sound very leftist?
Hello Yoss I agree with you but Swami Laxmananada was doing the exact same good dharmic thing that you have recommended here. He was educating kandhamal natives about their glorious past, filling up them not just with pride but providing facilities to stand up for themselves in the society. But you know what the missionary militants who want to spread gospel with a gun did to him. I do not encourage the same mindless violence proposed by Christianity and Islam but I do think that you have to catch hold of a belligerent foe by his balls to instill fear and cause pain to him. When somebody repeatedly takes you for granted and does unacceptable things there is no reason why you should spare violence against him. Snake bleeds when you de-fang it but thats a tactical necessity. This shouldn’t be understood as a call for violent response, Most of what I am saying is what you guys here all already know. I observe that we need two things urgently:
1. Media : West has converted Media into industry and so we need a Media that starts manufacturing opinions that favor us and is partial to us when it should be. We are pluralistic than many Muslims and Christians around the world and strong partisan media that favors us will eventually bring greater good to the mankind. We have been continuously doing dharmic things for centuries but because of absence of media that highlights our work, many Hindus themselves believe that they are selfish, lag behind in social service and it is only the Christians that go out of way and run convents, hospitals to help the poor and lift the oppressed.
2. Strong lobby. We need a strong lobby like that of Israel. I am not saying we should mimic the same but we should work towards developing similar immunity. It can be done by groups of individuals and organizations not necessary that political party of a country should be involved.
If we can get these two major things we can punch all the teeth out and mangle the opponent in a dharmic way. Adharma is like a pampered, spoiled kid and you know what they say “Spare the rod , spoil the child”. Of course a social milieu has to be built carefully around this unruly child so that he doesn’t turn rebellious and violent or ends up mentally scarred. Media has a tremendous role to play in this effort.Building it will take time,until then, punching in the groin once in a while is okay, We hit the right guy at right time and do not commit a blatant fouls.
To start with,if there can exist a CBN [- Christian Broadcasting Network] which is run by professionally trained media personalities, why cant there exists Hindu Broadcasting Network?
Thats should be first step.
Apologies for grammar and spelling – Iam too lazy
So, let me get this strait. Some of you are saying a violent reponse to nonviolent evangelism is ok?
This is just my opinion on how we should understand Dharma. We have already taken once the extreme path of truth and total non-violence. It sure did scare the foe to death but it gave time to him to take a revenge on us before packing up his things. As they say “Ati sarvatra varjayet”, which means “Too much is too bad”. Moderation is the right way of the life. I believe in Dharmic way of dealing with Adharma and that means that one should not show unnecessary malice towards fellow beings. I think Yoss essentially meant the same thing.
If we want to follow extreme path of Dharma, non-violence and truth like Gandhi we should follow it in our personal life but never as a community or a nation. It just gives time and space for the opponent to do irreparable damage. I personally think Gandhi started treading along his chosen path by his own choice but later it became a form of righteous extremism that neither he nor his followers could put a break to. It became a kind of habit. Its somewhat similar to a life of ex-celebrity who continues to live beyond his/her means just because he got used to the rich, dynamic life and also both media and society expect that from him. He will eventually end up taking his family down with him. Same thing happened to Indians during 1930-40s. If you are following Dharma out of fear for being branded Adharmic, there is nothing wrong as thats how it was planned to be, but you should be able to draw lines and take non-confirming decisions for greater good. What I mean to say is like violent extremists, there can be non-violent extremists and both are equally dangerous. For most Hindus doing a thing for greater good without unnecessary violence, hate, malice, greed and ulterior motive is definition of Dharma and I think its a good balanced definition. We shouldn’t allow our definitions to be hijacked by extremists on either side of the table lest we will screw up things beyond repair.
What is the Dharma we are talking about ? Is it inaction on every front ? We are on the receiving end for the last 1300 years. Dharma made Prthviraj Chauhan to release captured Mohammad Ghazni who ultimately won the war against this magnanimous upholder of dharma and killed him in the most heinous manner. Where that Dharma taken us from that point of time.
Media and the secularists have been blaming the post Godhra riots to the various Bomb blasts. They are even blaming the demolition of Babri structure for the terrorism and the bomb blasts. In the same vein is it not a fact that the last 1300 years of muslim and christian invasion and subjugation of hindus and the destruction of various temples and the most sacred ones at Kashi, Mathura, Ayodhya, Somnath etc., are the result of the feeling of outrage by hindus. Have we not seen the person who brought inquisition to India is elevated to sainthood and in whose name many schools and colleges are functioning thus continuing to hurt the hindu sentiments ?
What is the limit to practice Dharma ? Till hindus are wiped out from India ? Hindus will not be allowed even an inch of land in Kashmir for constructing temporary shelters for pilgrims ? Pakistani and Bangladeshi flags are hoisted in Kashmir and Assam but we still practice Dharma ? Which country allows such treacherous acts ? Which country allows so many illegal migrants come and settle within its territory and indulge in anti-national activities, kill locals and hoist their country’s flags ? In which country rulers allow such anti-national acts ? Which country allows alleged terrorists to be defended by the funds from universities ?
The media keeps silent when a very holy hindu saint alongwith some of his disciples who are working in difficult terrain to help tribals are killed and then mutilate their dead body. Only evil men can go to such depths. But the media cry hoarse when people retaliated. They deliberately underplay atrocities against hindus, but keep shouting when people retaliate. See the double standard of the media and the seculcarists when the Australian missionary was killed. I am not justifying any killing. But the secularists and the media should treat every incident equally. But the so called secularists and the english media have buried Dharma fathoms deep. They have different yardsticks for different communities.
Of late, they are trying to label every hindu as a fundamentalist, fascist and terrorist.
I am in my “Comrade Aikath” mode today. And therefore:
Given the course of events, and unabated terrorist killings of Hindus, isn’t it inevitable that some time or the other Hindus will also turn terrorist and stage bombings? Who has been punished for the ethnica cleansing of Kashmir? Far from bringing the killers (and their political mentors) who drove Kashmir’s Hindus out to book, the government actually connives with them to deny Hindus pilgrimage facilities in Amarnath. If a similar injustice was done to Muslims, won’t you expect terrorism to result? Why would then it not lead to the same consequence with Hindu subjects? Let us reconcile with a crucial fact: people of other faiths, Hinduism included, are as fanatical and intolerant as Muslims. Put in another way, Muslims or no more (or less) violent than Hindus. It is actually a miracle that it took these many Islamic outrages on Hinduism, coupled with the state’s indifference to it, for Hindu terrorism to emerge. Unless the state acts fact, and addresses Hindu grievances, I believe Hindu terrorism is going to be a reality that we’ll have to grapple with. Settling Kashmiri Hindus backing in the valley and restoring their properties to them can be a good start in this direction.
I agree with KSV above.
What sort of Dharma is it that makes us refugees in our own land aka Kashmiri pandits? What sort of Dharma are we talking about when we are pushed to the wall and forced to be on the defensive even on issues that denigrate our religion and our religius icons aka MF huseein? What sort of Dharma is it that makes others to equate our tolerance as our weakness? What Adharma did Swami Laxmanand do to deserve such a fate?
You talk about defending Dharma legally and politically against a rabid bunch of blood thirsty jehadists and evangelists who will twist and throw all your arguments at you.
>>he stories are striking for all the wrong reasons. With neither attributable sources nor a respect for accuracy of facts, both the stories feed into insinuations and rumors that have been doing the rounds for some time now by known apologists of Jihadi Terrorism.
Yossarin, media exaggerations and insinuations apart, we’ll be living in denial if we don’t acknowledge the fact that Hindu patience is wearing thin, and that Islamic terrorists (and their tacit supporters in political parties like SP, CPIM and even Congress) are succeeding in their plans to get Hindus to retaliate. When Islamic, Chrstiain and leftwing groups routinely kill innocents and get away with murder, why would it be inconceivable that Hindus follow suit? The only surprise is that it took so long, and the scale is so small. This must be nipped in bud, because if Hindus take to terrorism the consequences can be disastrous for a Hindu-majority nation. And nipping in the bud requires both a political-social and law-and-order response. The problem of Kashmir Hindus needs to be solved urgently. The perpetrators of various bomb blasts that targetted Hindus going back to early 90’s must be brought to book. And the Hindu-baiting that goes on so rampantly in political/media circles needs to be put an end to — with appropriate legislation if needed. On the law-and-order front of course, terrorists of all hues need to be treated with an iron hand.This is a good occasion to bring POTA back.
I think in current time, people who are experiencing the situation first hand on the ground decide what is dharma and what is adharma. You cannot stop people’s reaction to certain things, more so in India where due to high population density any news spreads like wild fire and rabble rousing becomes easy. I think Hindus should strike a balance between using violence and using strategy. Christians more aggressive and unreasonable in past 7-8 years. MSM doesnt give coverage to their mis-deeds and this emboldens them further. We should start buying time on air and space in local dailies to bring their mis-deeds out to public. Only people in metros follow CNN-IBN, I may be wrong on this but I am definitely sure that all Indians read their respective local dailies. BJP and VHP should start using them. Control lo local vernacular media is the first step we have to take and organizations already doing ground work can accomplish this. Local media has potential to become an alternative to foreign funded English media.
Off topic:
brinda karat dubbed Hindus as fundamentalist.
http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/oct/23karat.htm
If Hindus are fundamentalist of the kind she is speaking she would have been raped and mutilated by now for all the accusations she had made against Hindus.
As usual lot of passion in the comments.
But are we all on the same page here?
A few thoughts:
1.THIS is OUR country.And we have a stake in ensuring that there is rule of law and order here. That is our dharma with respect to the nation.Violence by fringe elements within this vast Hindu majority is adharmic simply because it is against the law of the land.
2.Then how do we ensure protection of Hindu dharma against the Jihadis and the evangelists? By voting the political formation that represents the ‘majority view’ and holding it accountable.
If what we all seem to say here and feel inside our hearts is really representative of the vast hindu majority, it should result in a landslide victory for the BJP in the next elections.
Fact is, none of us are 100% sure that the ‘vast Hindu majority’ will vote BJP into power; and even if the BJP comes to power through a coalition, there is no way we can expect them to act decisively against the anti-national and anti-Hindu elements. NDA was in power for full 5 years.They should have acted decisively. They did not/could not because the ‘popular mandate’ was not for a Hindu Rashtra but for a coalition led by a right of centre formation.
It is worth strategising as to how we can ensure the coming to power of a political formation that is committed to Hindu Rashtra next time around.
But if we continue to get carried away and give moral support to illegal activities of fringe elements within the Hindu society, we will never get what we want. We will always be dependent upon coalition partners.
So, let us make Hindu Rashtra an election agenda. Let us define what this Hindu Rashtra is, and how we will deal with Jihadis and evangelists in a Hindu Rashtra.
Else, if you truly believe that a Hindu Rashtra is not possible through rule of law methods, don’t just pay lip service to the so called fringe elements like VHP, Bajrang Dal or Hindu Jagran Manch.Make them mainstream.Join these organizations in lakhs and make it a mass movement. If it is a mass movement where the entire Hindu community (at least 75% of Hindus) in this country participate in, it will then become dharmic.
Wow ! I just submitted this comment and opened Rediff, and what do I see?
http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/oct/23karat.htm
“Communist Party of India-Marxist leader Brinda Karat was in the firing line in Rajya Sabha on Thursday when she dubbed the entire Hindu community as fundamentalist.
Members of the Bharatiya Janata Party disrupted proceedings in the Upper House as Karat read out a confessional statement allegedly given by a riot-accused, who had conceded that Hindu fundamentalists were behind the incidents of violence in Malegaon.
Amidst the pandemonium, the House was adjourned till 1.30 pm.
“She made a sweeping statement against Hindus. She is a Hindu herself and this kind of statement was not expected from her,” former finance minister Yashwant Singh told rediff.com.”
Do you think Brinda Karat is being prophetic here? Will we actually see the entire Hindu community becoming truly committed to a Hindu Rashtra? That will be really cool !
Unfortunately thats not going to happen and we have to get BJP a landslide victory in 2009. That is the only way my friends.
Dear Mrs Brinda Karat,
Please note I am an Indian and an Hindu by religion.
I am Proud to be an Fundamentalist.
All Secular Hindus should leave this Fundalist Majority Hindu Country and just get settle in “Secular” country of Pakistan or Bangladesh.
Plz tell us when u r going back to your Brothers/Sisters COUNTRY.
Prashant Bhalotia
Narayan Rane, Congress, supports Raj Thakeray. The cat is out of the bag why the Congress was and still is soft pedaling the issue. It seems they have set up Raj Thakeray to confront his uncle Bal Thakeray. Congress know they are in a very hopeless situation. That is the reason for this situation in Maharashtra. The entire blame should be at the doorstep of Congress alone.
Congress has become masters in divisive policies. They set community against communities, religion against religions, caste against castes. For usurping and retaining power they can go to any length. There is every possibility that the hindu terrorists too belong to the same genre. After all they have to show their secular credentials i.e. anti-hindu credentials to corner the votes of minorities. Otherwise Ram Vilas, Paswan, Lalu Prasad, Mulayam Singh etc., will corner (?) all the minority votes.
just anyone can confirm if Brinda Karat a HINDU or c 2 has converted to christainity like his brother in law Prannoy Roy of NDTV.
KSV,
It is an open secret that Congress is a master in divisive policies.But the voting public does not seem to mind all these shennanigans of the p-secs.
I reiterate, unless we ensure BJP gets at least 40% of the votes polled across the Nation, we will be blogging and commenting like this for years to come and things are not going to change.
Lets talk strategy for God’s sake, as Yoss has suggested.
Prashant,
Replying to you just because you said some people should leave the country.
As per vote share, BJP has never got more than 35 % per cent votes. So you are actually in a minority. 65 % does not agree with you. Why dont you leave?
To others –
Just a reaction to get out of our place dialog. Peace.
Dear Ramu
I dont know if you are Hindu or Convert BUT remember in Parliament that Honourable lady has said “Hindus as Fundamentalist” not BJP supporter as Fundamentalist.
AND according to you all HINDUS are majority hence this country is FUNDAMENTALIST.
So i asked that lady along with her “Tribes” to settle in Secular Country.
on Your 35% 65% Well a good analysis that all NON BJP votes are together so a Congress Voter or Left Voter are same tribe.
So dear WHY are they fightong against each other in Kerala??????
Matt Stone
‘nonviolent evangelism?’
–Are you joking or What?- huh,
There can be no moral justification for blowing up mosques. Muslims are our blood brothers that have been converted under the islamic sword centuries ago. These people need to be caught, arrested, and prosecuted. The same ish goes for rioters.
The evan-jehadis are a different bunch though. the ‘non violent’ evangelists do use ‘muscle’ power to intimidate/kill/convert hindus. There are a million youtube vidoes that document this. These evan-jehadis unlike Indian muslims are not Indians and have no stakes in India. They dont mind burning the house just to get their pound of flesh. reading the recent history of south korea, vietnam would be helpful to see how missionaries operate as foreign agents with complete disregard of local consequences. There is no help for the besieged hindus from vote bank politicians, political police, macaulysized judiciary and hindu hating media. There is a need for hindu defense groups in the evan-jehadis influence areas to protect hindus like the Swamiji in Orissa and to prevent missionaries from any fanciful ideas about intimidating hindus. They should be sued, harassed, boycotted to oblivion. the only response hindus should have to missionaires is to ‘encourage’ and ‘facilitate’ their leaving India.
We Hindus need to boycott anti-Hindu NDTV, CNN-IBN channel, that would teach them a lession. I observed, after BJP boycott to CNN-IBN, they are now little careful.
We Hindus just react and cry, but we don’t do action. Why not we boycott that channell and opnely appeal to all proud Hindus to boycott it. Boycott and expose their lies, deceptions, frauds are two ways to defeat these scoundrals.
Strength understands strength. We have to be more stronger in action to defeat NDTV, IBN soundrals. Anti-Hindu Christian Pronoy Roy must be exposed before the Hindu masses, most Hindus don’t know his religious background. They are the fifth columns in our country, enemy within. Enemy within are more dangerous than enemy outside.
Fellow Hindus, don’t allow you to be intimidated by words Hindu fundamentalists, Hindu terrorists, Hindu communalists. These are common Commie and pseudo-secular vocabularies to intimidate and bully Hindus. The day Hindus will be fundamentalists, that day will be Golden day of Bharat and Hindus.
Anti-Hindu scoundrals practice two-prong strategy – provoke Hindus with abuse, insults, humiliations (like Ram does not exists, Ramayan is a fiction), and then when Hindus reacts and agitates, then call them fundamentalists, communalists, and whats not.
We must practice what Swami Vivekananda says, “Let people say whatever they like, stick to your convictions and assured, the world would be at your feet.”
We have seen, Narendra Modi was abused, humiliated for over last 6 years by these soundrals. Now, they started bowing before Modi, writing more balance as they found now Modi stands larger and big business saluting him.
Praful Thakar joins BJP with 150 Congmen
Ahmedabad, October 22 : Says the move is to protest autocratic and arrogant conduct of GPCC leaders
In A major blow to the Congress ahead of the next general elections, its city unit’s general secretary Dr Praful Thakar on Wednesday joined the Bharatiya Janata Party along with 150 office-bearers in protest against alleged neglect and injustice to them.
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/praful-thakar-joins-bjp-with-150-congmen/376783/
ramu,
as per relegion share, christians are only 2.5-10% of the population. are you saying they should leave? Your douchey logic bro, not mine.
People here ask to leave not because you are of the minority opinion, its because you have no opinion and come here to make outrageous traitor-ish statements, to perhaps make up for kandamahal or whatever other evangelist greivance. I think you should stay, its too entertaining
@ Aryan
I didn’t start the ‘leaving’ business
>> Traitor-ous –
Ohhhh that sounds like Sarah Palin
Pro American America and what not!
For the record, I am with Yossarin on the topic of the post though.
One question — BJP, RSS only talk of evangelical inducement, forcible conversion etc. I haven’t heard of them talking about Christian murderers. Do you guys have some concrete info? Ive seen the Youtube videos and whatnot, did not see anyone pointing a gun and saying convert or else.
Have any christians been arrested in any BJP ruled states for conversion under threat of murder? For conversion using force? Anybody put in jail?
@ramu
Murderous evangelists? what do you mean the ak-47 weilding missionaries that gunned down Swamiji and four followers including a woman, in a children’s ashram? Or were they peace-loving gun weilding evangelists?
in terms of traitor-ous you made fun of the police officer that died in the jihadi encounter, and followed up by saying, all Indian police officers that fight terrorists are corrupt while defending jihadis because according your logic ‘ghettos cause frustration, anger and then terrorism’.
Forget the retard palin, even the arch-bishop of India would be smart enough to call you a traitor
44 NGOs barred from receiving foreign funds
Ask and ye shall receive.
Finally seems like GoI has woken up to at least part of the problem. Phoren funds (and phoren arms, those the Moaists currently use to extort, maim and kill our hapless tribal populace) to suspect NGOs curbed.
Wait for wails from certain religious qtrs to go up to know that this is indeed aimed at fraudulent conversions and the internal security nightmare they pose. Keeping fingers crossed on this one.
And yup, time to kick this ‘nonviolent evangelism’ canard in the gonads. The Church-Maoist nexus puts paid to any ‘nonviolent’ or compassionate pretenses the evanjehadis may seek to foist on unsuspecting yindoos. Like OT said, Indic patience is wearing thin. IMVVHO of course. There are diminishing returns to seeking to guilt trip us yindoos into getting all apologetic when it is our country, culture, faith and heritage under relenetless seige. Beware the impatience of the otherwise patient elephant, I guess. JMTs etc.
“just anyone can confirm if Brinda Karat a HINDU or c 2 has converted to christainity like his brother in law Prannoy Roy of NDTV.”
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In all sincerity, does it really matter? This Brinda Karat is the worst kind of Hindu-hater. She knows that by staying Hindu on paper she adds crediblilty to her anti-Hindu vitriol (as opposed to being Christian/Muslim and giving anti-Hindu speeches). Age old trick: either be a christian in everything but Hindu on paper (like Karat) or be a Christian, and use a Hindu name (Raul Vinci, Madre Antonia Maino). Psecs fall for these kinds of tricks all the time, and it eventually adds to the pool of Hindus (psecs) who are anti-Hindu!
It is amazing how the Church keeps its flock in the West (and East) thinking that all it does is “non-violent evangelism”. Most of the Christians in the world would not ever have become Christian if all the Church ever engaged in was “non-violent evangelism”…
Christian org urges Bush adm to stop N-agreement with India
Washington, Oct 23 (PTI) A Christian organisation in the US has urged the Bush administration not to start implementing the civilian nuclear agreement with India unless the violence against the community in Orissa stops.
Jim Jacobson, President of the Christian Freedom International has called for an immediate action by the House of Representatives to pass Concurrent ‘Resolution HR-434′ that condemns the recent religious violence in India and asking the Government of India to stop the violence and address its root causes.
Fanatics in Orissa are launching attacks against Christian homes and churches, setting fire to everything in their path and viciously beating, or even murdering Christian pastors, Jacobson charged.
“The violence has caused thousands of Christians to flee for their lives into the nearby forests or refugee camps and to make matters worse, the local government has done nothing to intervene in the crisis,” he alleged.
The resolution is gaining more support each day, and “we call on Chairman Howard Berman of the House of Foreign Relations Committee to bring the Resolution to the floor of the House as soon as possible”, Jacobson said.
According to a release, Washington and New Delhi will begin the implementation of the civilian nuclear deal between both the countries in the next month for cooperation concerning peaceful uses of nuclear energy.
Before any further action is taken on this agreement, the violence against the Christian population in Orissa must stop, Jacobson said. “I call on the Chairman Berman and Secretary Condoleezza Rice to act quickly into the matter,” he added. PTI
Wake up Bharat, Wake Up Hindus. We are not far from South Korean situation. We are experiencing similar things in the last 4 years- Three Days morning and National Flag down for death of Pope, printing Cross in Rupee Two coin, Logo of Kendriya Vidylaya changed to Cross, Christian Haj subsidy, Hindu religion abusive booklets publication and distribution by the christian missioanries, killing of HIndu Swamiji/saint, and list goes on.
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Religious peace threatened in South Korea
“Religious peace in our country is being threatened by those who dream of turning it into a medieval Christian kingdom through a church elder-president,” said Park Jeong Kyu, a spokesman for the Jogye Order.
In August, tens of thousands of Buddhist monks and lay people marched in central Seoul, accusing Lee and his government of discriminating against Buddhists and favoring Protestants.
“What we see is unusual, because this country – although frequently torn by wars, ideology-driven violence and factional politics – has always maintained religious harmony,” said Song Jae Ryong, a professor of the sociology of religion at Kyung Hee University.
Buddhists complain that of the 16 members of Lee’s cabinet, 13 are Christians while only one is a Buddhist. (The other two have no religious affiliation.)
Buddhist misgivings about Lee deepened in June, when the Ministry of Land, Transport and Maritime Affairs posted on its Web site a map of greater Seoul that omitted Buddhist temples, even famous ones, while marking the locations of even minor Christian churches.
In August, a prominent Protestant minister was invited to say the prayer at a lunch Lee hosted for the U.S. president, George W. Bush, at the presidential Blue House.
Buddhists seized on these and similar episodes to accuse Lee and Protestant churches of “using the government as a proselytizing tool.”
The Buddhist furor escalated in recent weeks as videos circulated on the Internet showing zealous Protestant preachers, one of whom led his congregation in shouts for the “collapse of Buddhist temples.”
In another clip, a leading preacher, Jang Kyong Dong, says: “Buddhist monks are wasting their time. They should convert to Jesus. Is there any Buddhist country in the world that is rich?”
more here.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/10/14/asia/buddhist.php
Yoss:
What I have not understood is why these Hindu Organizations are not talking the twisted media to the court for defamation.
I remember that the retarded HR minister Arjun Singh had made remarks about RSS involvement in Mahatma Gandhi’s assassination a few years ago and RSS had taken him to court. The case may still be pending in the court. But, in the last 3-4 years, I have not heard anyone else making the same accusation.
It is time for proactive and at least reactive action against the media for utter lack of credible reporting and maligning Hundu Dharma and its organizations.
@ramu, how long will you keep justifying villainous actions of half baked Christians who with hatred in thought, word and deed continue to bring chaos into India. Just because u or someone in your previous generation fell for allurement and converted to Xtianity for getting a materialistic or social push doesn’t mean that you should support everything done in the name of Christianity. The more you generalize the events and preach to victims without addressing the main problem of conversions more unreasonable and violent will be the response from people getting affected by it, plain cause and effect relation.
This best strategy for BJP should be to condemn the so called elusive group and at same time it should also declare with media funfair[Yes] that they will be taking care of all costs for legal support to those accused and arrested and also give legal support to counter claims .
wait a moment….if they are students, the universities should be asked to bear all legal costs.
ramu
Where is THAT nun who was Raped??????????????????????????????????
Can someone give Brinda Karat a Dum Dum Dawai.
Seriouly, how can they walk on the streets
Communal anti-Hindu CNN IBN is today running a poll to equate Hindu (Sanatan Dharm) with terrorism and IBN7 is continuously running phony stories right now to prove that Hindus have done all the bomb blasts and misappropriately blamed it to look like it was Islamist terrorists. Sell out media doing this for short term gains of its masters in Antonia Maino run congress. We have to give them an appropriate answer per law to show them who is the daddy here. Another feather in their journey between Tainthood and Sainthood by media and congress. Read here.
Another blog that deals with similar issue
http://www.sandeepweb.com
Guys,
This may very well be a conspiracy theory but there is stuff floating around the Internet that says that SOnia is in power with the specific purpose of breaking up India (like USSR). You will notic that everything has got magnified since she has taken seat – anti national activities
I really think this woman is a vishkanya. Her background is dubious.
Can we substantiate this and get it publicised
OK a Christain NEWS Channel NDTV is having poll that gives option “Muh mai Ram,Bagal Mein Bomb-Hey Ram”
so Let us tell Mr.Prannoy Roy that
Naam seh Hindu,Par Dharam Christainity(Converted for Money,and what Others Jesus Knows)
This is my first post on INI. However, I promise that there will be many to follow.
While I broadly agree that we should adopt a policy of non violence, the magnitude of the threat against the Hindus and their way of life is actually not yet been fully grasped by most of our fellow citizens. Agreed, non violence had a major role to play in our independence struggle, but we were fighting the forces who had a democracy back at home. It was probably the most appropriate method in that point of time, for I admire Gandhiji as being the greatest strategist of all time.
However, today we are having to deal with the enemy within. Who do we consider to be on our side? The pseudo seculars? The Hindu apologists? The jaundiced media that is on the payroll of their foreign masters? Even the present day Government is on the side of the traitors.
Do you expect the tribals of Kandhamal to peacefully protest the taking away of their land by the privileged converts (Schedules Castes), where they are disadvantaged in all ways, be it economic, academic or social? It is expected that they will protest in a violent way, for they do not know other methods and they do not find people to help them with other methods.
Ahimsa paramo dharmaha, Dharma himsa tathaiva cha. We have only heard half truths like the first part of the aforesaid saying. It goes without saying that non violence is dharma, but fighting for the right cause through violence is also fair. How many of us know the second part? The problem lies with Nehruvian historians, Marxist apologists who have succeeded in peddling half truths, the half that suits them, needless to say.
I am alarmed that so many of my friends and relatives, educated and enlightened, still believe these lies without ever questioning them. We keep hearing that “all paths lead to the same God”. But do all religions say that? Yet, most Indians believe that it is the essence of all religions. Unless the diagnosis is correct, how do we expect to cure the patient?
We must educate everyone around us and persuade them to open their eyes and ears. A 5% swing in votes can change the fortunes of India. It is a propaganda war, and we must consider ourselves as the grassroot banar sena of Lord Ram.
Let us show the apologists and the pseudo secularists what we can achieve.
The news channels are doing enormous disservice even if their intentions were genuine (which I seriously doubt anyway).
They’re setting the stage for rationalising dozens more of islamist bum blasts by using this ’saffron terror bums’ excuse for many months and yrs to come, just like they pushed the Godhra excuse for yrs afterward. The same channels now accusing yindoos of bigotry and terrotism are also the first to apologise for, downplay and cover up instances of minority terrorism (of both the jihadi and evanjihadi variety).
Something is clearly afoot. I hope the IB has maintained dossiers on each and everyone of the Suardesai and Prannoy ilk. Haul them to court and then to prison on some charge or the other. The message will go out loud and clear that batting for phoren interests will land you in jail, period.
If the Christian Organization manages to stop implementation of the nuclear agreement, India will be saved. We don’t need any such agreement. For all these years we have managed without any help from USA and we can do without any help from them in future too. Go to hell. Take some of your evangelists too. They won’t allow anybody to live in peace even in hell too. Surely the inquisitors and the saints will be there for company.
BJP swweps panchayat polls in Uttarakhand
http://www.organiser.org/dynamic/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=260&page=9
Why a Brahmin Rajdeep Sardesai working as an anti-Hindu and a chrsitian-stooge? Someone need to hit him in his core weakness, that is his root, where it hurts.
Christian Pronoy Roy was a upper-caste Bengali Bhadralok, now run infamous anti-Hindu channel NDTV. How many Bengalis know about his anti-Hindu crusade? Perhaps, very few. I talked to several Bengalis, none ever imagined he is a covert chrsitian.
What about christian Pronoy Roy’s another chela product Arnab Guswami (originally from Asom), another Brahmin, who married to a Bengali (perhaps commie)? Assam media is highly respected Hindu media, they will not tolerate such peoples anti-Hindu agenda and exposed them regionally/locally.
WE need to expose their personal life and characters before the masses, then masses will spit on them and boycott them. Hit where it hurts most.
This is what wikipedia says, a thorough christian school, college, univesity educated. No touch with Indian (non-christian) education system at all. He truely represnt what Lord Macauley wanted. So, nothing to surprise. What he is doing, he is designed for.
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Rajdeep Sardesai (born 24 May 1965) in Ahmedabad, Gujarat to a Goan (Saraswat) father and a Maharashtrian mother is an Indian journalist, political commentator and news presenter. He is the son of former Indian Test cricketer Dilip Sardesai and Nandini Sardesai, an activist in Mumbai and former head of the Dept of Sociology at St Xavier’s College. He attended the Cathedral and John Connon School and Campion School in Mumbai and completed bachelor’s course in Economics from St. Xavier’s College, Mumbai. He then studied at University College, Oxford, taking the degrees of Bachelor of Arts, Master of Arts, and Bachelor of Civil Law.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajdeep_Sardesai
Note: His religious affiliations are not mentioned in the site. How proud a HIndu (or something else)?
All news channels will channel their news and views appropriately as soon as their advertising revenues are hurt!! Just stop watching them and make it known that you don’t. Also make it known what kind of credibility their “analysis” has. And offer alternatives to NDTV and IBN to people you meet. If you have Tata-Sky and just flip around, there are several channels out there. None of those is completely free of psecism, but many are much better than NDTV and the Italian Bahoo Network (copyright Jiggs AFAIK!).
OK, I can see a lot of vilifications and name-calling against me and my channel in this thread. But in doing that aren’t you people missing the woods for trees? I mean watching a bolt but missing the tank? Let me put it straight – Your day-dreaming of Hindu Bharat will remain, a hard truth to swallow, a day-dream. Actually it’ll be reversed. Within next 20 years, India will become a Hindu minority country politically. 30% of the population will be from non-Indic religions and another 10% will comprise the marxist atheist secular people. How would you counter that data you desktop warmongers. You know, Hindus have lost the battle a long ago in 1991 with the killing of Rajiv Gandhi (you know what I mean). There is only one path for you to follow – convert to Abrahamic religions or join us in atheist secular brigade and condemn the Hinduism – a false concept from the beginning. Otherwise you’ll be hated, maligned, persecuted, ostracized and if you react, branded terrorist and put into jail. Don’t even think of relying on your beloved leaders. We already discredited that Karachi Boy. Only the goon from Gujarat is our last frontier but that too will be conquered gradually. With 40% population successfully detached from the Hindu cult, will there be any hope for your party then?
Few numbnuts here are suggesting boycotting my channel! How crazy is that? As if I care a hoot for your watching and clicking. My sponsor has that much money to pocket all the media houses in this country. Are you going to boycott all of them? How are you going to watch the news? And for the fools who think English media doesn’t matter – here is a simple statistic. Your goons party lost most of their incumbent LS seats in urban areas in 2004. Any idea who influenced those urban voters?
India will always remain India but Bharat and Hindustan will cease to exist. With modern monotheistic religions, outlook and prosperity it’ll surely be a great nation. Join now or you might have to repent later.
Missionaries are Colonialists
The religious and cultural Imperialism performed by missionaries nearly always goes hand-in-hand with political and economic Imperialism. Christian missionaries often work in partnership with the CIA, with the US government, and with wealthy corporations to subvert the religion, the culture, the economy, and the politics of vulnerable indigenous populations. The CIA often uses planes owned by Christian missionary organizations and flown by Christian missionary pilots to smuggle drugs, arms, and prisoners.
During the CIA’s illegal Iran/Contra scam of the 1980s, Christian missionary pilots and planes smuggled drugs into the USA and arms into Central America and Iran. Now the CIA is using Christian missionary planes to smuggle heroin from Afghanistan, cocaine from Latin America, and for ‘rendition’ flights of ‘Terrorist’ prisoners to secret prisons that practice torture and commit extra-judicial executions.
The USA’s Faith Based Initiative law provides Christian missionary organizations with taxpayer funds that are used to proselytize Christianity to indigenous populations throughout the world. Christian missionaries are the leading edge of a religious, cultural, economic, and political aggression supported by the US government.
When Western leaders talk about a ‘Clash of Civilizations’, what they really mean is Judeo-Christianity and corporate Capitalism versus all non-Christians and non-Capitalists. Christian missionaries are essentially colonialists working for Christian cultural Imperialism.
Currently there is no officially Hindu State anywhere in the world, but perhaps India should become a Hindu State in order to protect its indigenous religion and culture from the predatory missionaries and State-sponsored cultural Imperialism that are coming from both Christian and Moslem countries. If the Jews have the right to establish and maintain Israel as a Jewish State, then the Hindus certainly have a right to establish and maintain India as a Hindu State.
When Western leaders talk about a ‘Clash of Civilizations’, what they really mean is Judeo-Christianity and corporate Capitalism versus all non-Christians and non-Capitalists. Christian missionaries are essentially colonialists working for Christian cultural Imperialism.
When the Hindus of India rise up in riot and drive out the Christian missionaries and the Christian ‘cash converts’, they are doing what the Iraqi, Afghani, and Palestinian Freedom Fighters are doing. They are protecting themselves and their indigenous culture from wealthy and unscrupulous invaders who have no respect for them or for their culture. I wish the Hindu nationalists well in their efforts to defend and maintain the independence and survival of their indigenous culture and religion against the onslaught of predatory and disrespectful foreigners whose goal is to replace indigenous traditional cultures with a global Christian empire.
If Christian missionaries want to come to India and try to make converts to Christianity, let them come with empty pockets and compete on a level playing field. And if most of the locals don’t want the missionaries interfering with their traditional way of life, they have the right to make the missionaries and their converts leave.
Gregory F. Fegel
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/106593-0/
Heh!
Also, people:
Lets us not call our not watching IBN and NDTV a “Boycott”. That is a politically charged word.
If a dog leaves a present on the road, you don’t boycott it, do you? You just walk around it and warn your friends to do walk around it too..
Time will tell. Satyameva jayate.
SIrdesai,
compeling arguments but we have our own projections. True if missionaries are left unchecked then india will be politicaly a hindu minority state. heck i’d say for most of post independence india been politically a non hindu state considering nehru’s sickularism. But there are two major problems in your thesis and they are as follows.
As we look foward a few decades in India is going to increasingly be a wealther state with a huge middle class. when one’s politics stops being just ‘bread and butter’ one can start thinking about religion, colonial missionaries, terrorism, economy etc The more middle class India becomes the less your brand of sickularism and kangressi style politics of hindu hating is going to be acceptable. We have already seen this in Gujarat, one of the wealthiest state in India. One can further this argument, with the loaded trillion dollar net worth NRIs, and being gujju and all, you must know how rabidly communal NRGs can be. Its understood indian media have their funding, where do you think NRI funds are going?
Secondly, the ‘goon’ from gujurat, we here like to call him the Merchant of Death to the ‘pseudo secular media’. the media underestimate their own capabilities. they’d be surprised to know the sickular media were one of the catalysts in bringing the MOD to power. The more Modiji was attacked, the more hindus felt attacked, and the resultant backlash was the 2007 elections. Also it took years of Congress initiated riots and the resulting hindu anger that brought BJP to absolute power and the same is now happening all over India with the IM and SIMI combo. Sirdesai had done a report showing BJP ruled states in Saffron, it wasnt a pretty sight, the expressions on his face that is.
We agree upon the methods we can disagree on the results, keep up the ‘reporting’ its only helping hindu causes
OMG, Can this be true-> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Former_VHP_woman_owned_Malegaon_blast_motorcycle/articleshow/3634176.cms
After NDTV’s disgrace to journalism, here comes Times of India. VHP has some idiots in the ranks but I don’t think they are so damn crazy.
Yoss and Other loyal readers, can this be true?
Its concentrated attack from all side
http://www.ibnlive.com/news/bajrang-dal-workers-trained-in-bombmaking-cops/76590-3.html?from=search
Yes, express, satp, and outlook are at it too..Kangress wants BJP to “define its ties with Hindu outfits” or something like that now. Give a dog a bad name and hang him.
62,000 legal Bangla visitors missing
Spl correspondent
NEW DELHI, Oct 22 – In a startling revelation, the Central Government has disclosed that over 62,000 Bangladeshis, who entered India with valid documents during the last three years, have vanished in the country. A highest number of 25,712 persons did the disappearing act last year, which also saw highest number of 5.24 lakh Bangladeshi entering the country legally.
The Government, however, was silent on the question by Motilal Vohra and Satyavrat Chaturvedi, who quoting media reports wanted to know whether over 1 lakh Bangladeshis have so disappeared. They had based their question on a remark by additional DG of Meghalaya Police.
According to Meghalaya Government, the additional DG had made such a reference in a seminar based on newspaper reports, Minister of State for Home Affairs, Sriprakash Jaiswal said.
The Minister said in 2005, 4.85 lakh Bangladeshis entered India legally, of which 12,338 did not return, the next year 4.84 lakh entered and 24,497 disappeared.
The problem of illegal migration from Bangladesh to India has been in existence since post independence days. India has a long and porous border with Bangladesh and people staying on either side of the border are generally from same ethnic background, similarity of language and culture, the Minister argued.
more here.
http://www.assamtribune.com/scripts/details.asp?id=oct2308/at02
Indian Express Editor Sekhar Gupta was given Fakruddin Ali Ahmed award recently in Guwahati by the Congress.
All medias are brought under Congress control, they rewarding and promoting them. Whom to blame? BJP itself. Did BJP in their 6 years rule promoted and rewarded media people? Its not how much these urban media influence on voters, surely they influence in policy-decisions.
BJP has taken defence as strategy. Congress spoksperson Ahmed speak all non-sensse and media highlighs them on front page. We don’t see BJP countering these non-sense. BJP should go all out offensive tearing Congress game-plan.
Guys,
The reason we have problems like Raj Tahckery etc is because of poverty and unemployment (I know that everyone knows that). My sense is that this will get worsened over the next couple of years wiwth the economic slide and more youth will become susceptible to violence and evanjihadis.
It would be great if all of us on this board practiced austerity in our lives over the next couple of years and send money to charities that contribute to the constructive development of society.
Seriously, that will be the need of the hour.
One way of committing is to allocate an amount every month to be auto deducted. That way one does not forget and also one is forced to constrain spending to what is in the checking account
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/BJP–RSS-back-Hindu-Jagran-Manch–allege–conspiracy-/377266
BJP, RSS back Hindu Jagran Manch, allege conspiracy
I expect this evidence was concocted to pave the way to ban the Bajrang Dal and possibly the VHP to limit the ground movement of the BJP cadre before the state elections.
This is all leading to Bajrang Dal and VHP being banned.
Is this not Congress’ core competence? Has this not being Congress’ history?
Can India teach these Congress conspirators a lesson?
I sure hope so.
“The reason we have problems like Raj Tahckery etc is because of poverty and unemployment (I know that everyone knows that)”
Nope. Wrong. This poverty leading to “terror” and “riots” theory is pure nonsense and has been disabused by many people.
The reason by the way is purely political. Whenever u have a nascent party come up that party always needs a raison d’etre for its existence. Nothing like “riots” and invoking regional chauvinism to pump in some josh among the masses. Indian democracy though pretty mature still has some way to go. Till then u will keep seeing such riots time and again, that’s the sad reality. Of course, you can try to minimize these riots by making the rioter understand the repercussion of his action. But I don’t think u can completely eliminate riots.
“It would be great if all of us on this board practiced austerity in our lives over the next couple of years and send money to charities that contribute to the constructive development of society.”
I will send some money to charity but austerity, HELL NOOOO !!! I will GIVE MUCH MORE MONEY to the person selling me SOME GOODS and/or SERVICES rather THAN SOMEONE WHO DOES NOTHING!!
“Giving a hungry person fish helps only for 2 days
Rather teaching the person how to fish will help him THROUGHOUT his lifetime”
“Whom to blame? BJP itself.”
Of course. They are the ones who brought in FDI ownership in media. Not a wise move. Inspite of the freedom of press propaganda, media is called the fourth estate for a reason. Of course the first three are Legislature, Executive and Judiciary.
The media FDI move will have to be reversed. There’s no 2 ways baout it.
http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/story.aspx?id=NEWEN20080069810
One more gem on NDTV. Now tribals say they are not hindus and want a separate religion.
See the temerity of the woman from the Criminal Party of India terming all hindus as fundamentalists. Read the history of this criminal party. They supported the creation of Pakistan. They were instrumental in creating a separate muslim majority district in Kerala. Recently in Kerala their party MP openly defied them in regard to his religion. They did not act. If it is Hindu they would have gone hammer and tongs against him/her. They have made Kannur and Kodungallur in Kerala war zones. They choose candidates for constituencies taking into account the religious mix of a particular constituency. What kind of secularism they are practicing. It is just Sick-ulrism coming out of sick and sadist minds. For certain communities they say that “terrorists have no religion”. But even if it is concocted she makes a sweeping statement terming all hindus as fundamentalists. This vermin should have known that it is hindus who went for secularism and Pakistan went for an Islamic republic. Is she in the pay of fundamentalists from outside to undermine India ?
@sudhir,
This is motivated by Christians, the west and the congress. Another divide and conquer. I can assure you that the tribals who started this were christians. It is stemming from reconversion and they want to view it as a conversion. A deliberate attempt to divide, contain and destroy hindu society.
We need to probe more. Infact, we need tribals to speak up.
Times of India is reporting that a Hindu woman terrorist could be involved. It’s worrisome if even Hindu women are taking to terrorism.The reasons I think are not far to see. Muslim women are hardly seen on the streets. But in most of the Muslim terrorist attacks, half the victims have been women — perhaps even more in market place attacks.
Do some research on Hindu Jagran Manch.
Seems like they are very good at Ghar Vapasi. Now we know why they are being blamed
The only way to conquer the shrewd enemy[Joshua project team] is to adopt their strategy.
If they go to rural places and open up churches and lure poor , Hindus HAVE to do the same. if they use media as propaganda tool, Hindus HAVE to use that same strategy. If such forces are involved in media sting operation, dame need to be done .Open up schools,temples etc. ,provide quality free food .We need funds for this and how this can be done -some initiative need to taken ASAP.
http://www.ibnlive.com/news/their-own-jehad-hindu-groups-in-terror-role/76614-3.html
Chandan Mitr, BJP MP:
Hindu terrorism is the action of just a few people, who could be avenging Islamic terrorism, said Mitra. “Hindus are over 80 per cent of the population and it is quite possible that among them some individuals have attempted to avenge wide-spread jehadi terror which has been unleashed in the country for over 50 years. The law must take its course against them.”
@ramu
So..?
Ramu,
Yes, the law should take its own course. But why not in the case of jehadi terrorists ? Why so many protests if some muslims are taken into custody. Why many of the so called secular bandwagon rushed in to brand the encounter as Jamia as fake ? Why so many rushed to the house of the alleged terrorist Bashir including from Congress party to pacify his father ? Why, as reported, muslim clerics dared to call Sardar Patel a terrorist ? Why no action is taken so far against such people if they have termed him as such or give an official explanation denying such remark.
There seem to be clear appeasement on one side and a witchhunting on the other side. Like what Orwell said “all are equal, but some or more equal than others”. In India the minorities have become the more equals for the Congress and the secular fundamentalists.
We too believe that the law should take its own course. Let the police and judiciary do its duty. Let politicians stop meddling. If any one has got a grievance, let them approach the court. Let no university fund to defend any alleged offender. Let all be treated equally, rather than throwing mud with the hope that some mud is going to stick.
It’s good that Chandan Mitra did not shy away from stating the truth. Where he is wrong though is that it may only be a “few individuals” at this point in time, but the trend once begun will be difficult to reverse unless the root causes are addressed.
@ viv
So, just letting you know
@KVS
>> Law should take its own course, all equal etc
Agree. Whoever indulges in violence is a criminal. I don’t believe in my terrorist, your terrorist fundas.
If the state does not protect the citizens from terror because of vote bank politics, it is highly probable that out of 80 crore Hindus, some will take to violent ways.
Decades of pseudo secularism is making Hindus angry. This could become a bigger problem in the future. The govt has to act on terror and stoip Hindu bashing in the name of secularism..
http://mymanorama.manoramaonline.com/cgi-bin/MMOnline.dll/portal/ep/theWeekContent.do?sectionName=Current+Events&contentId=4559830&programId=1073754900&pageTypeId=1073754893&contentType=EDITORIAL&BV_ID=@@@
The Hindu growl – (05-10-2008)
SPECIAL REPORT
The young Hindu is angry and intolerant. What triggered the change?
By Vijaya Pushkarna & Kallol Bhattacherjee
The Ranas of Amritsar could not tolerate the pro-Khalistani terrorism of the mid-1980s. So they shifted their home and business to Mohali on the outskirts of Chandigarh. Many like them, mainly Hindus, fled from terrorised Punjab to safer places. The exodus of Pandits from Kashmir in the nineties, too, was out of fear. But no longer is the young Hindu willing to run away from the battlefield.
And for the first time in Indian history, the Centre has sent advisories to four state governments, three ruled by the Bharatiya Janata Party, directing them to abide by the Constitution and protect minorities. The advisory is just one step short of Article 355, a rarely used formality before dismissing a state government.
The Hindu’s tolerance level is dropping, and today he is an angry man. As head of the poly-trauma ward of Sawai Man Singh Hospital, Jaipur, Dr Rajendra Chaturvedi attends to victims of riots, accidents and domestic violence. But the May 13 blasts changed him. “There were more than 60 casualties,” he said. “Healthy men bled to death in minutes.” The Brahmin now sports a tilak and speaks out against Islamic terror.
On September 13, death visited Rajiv Chowk, New Delhi. Sumeet, owner of a popular DVD shop in Palika Bazaar, was sending SMSes to loyal clients about the new titles in stock when the bombs went off. “Who would not get angry? But we were not scared. We are ready to fight them whoever they are,” he said.
Terror campaigns irk the average Hindu. “Delaying Afzal Guru’s hanging [in the Parliament attack case] sends out the signal that the government is unwilling to act on terror,” said M.L. Gupta, a Jaipur blasts survivor. The sentiment was echoed by Rajinder Singh Shekhawat
just see the language of our Media…..Hindu Bomb,Hindu Jihadi,Hindu Terrorist organisation…..
Why never they said Muslim Bomb,Muslim Jihadi,Muslim Terrorist organisation.
In fact they cry along with their panel that Y Muslim is added to terrorist?????
by the way I don’t entirely trust our cops in this case too. They may be right, but they may have caught someone under pressure too. I said the same thing after Jamia nagar.
There are a lot of good cops for sure, but if you were ever in the media dealing with cops, you know what pressures they operate under, and how often they get the wrong guy.
I for one refuse to believe either of the two situations, either way.
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