They say fate is not without a sense of irony.
Months after the riots, the Bengal government had tried to embarrass Modi by inviting and rehabilitating Qutubuddin Ansari, the tailor who had become the face of the pogrom after he was photographed with pleading, fearful eyes and folded hands.
Ansari set up a tailoring shop in Calcutta with government help and was paraded at meetings where he contrasted peaceful, harmonious Bengal with Modi?s Gujarat. His business didn?t do well, however, and he returned to Gujarat two years later.
It appears Ratan Tata is now headed the Qutubuddin Ansari way.
The CPI-Mafioso’s worst nightmare has come true.
Not only has it lost the Nano to the same kind of obstructionist politics it has been practising since Independence, it is now stuck with embarassement of the TATA’s breaking bread with Narendra Modi while the people of Singur are still trying to pick the pieces from a shattered Nano future.
Much will be said and written in the days to come but it must be said that the migration of the Nano from Singur to Sanand is a triumph of Jyotigram over Nandigram.
Offstumped on 13th May, 2008
While Gopal Gandhi swats mosquitoes in the candlelit emptiness of the Raj Bhavan in Kolkota and Buddhadeb takes potshots at a lameduck Manmohan Singh from Writer’s Building, the people of Bengal must be wondering what it would take to trade Nandigram for Jyotigram. Or maybe not for doing so would be “barbaric” by the “civilized” standards of that CPI-Mafioso relic Jyoti Basu. Like it or not Jyotigram and Nandigram will be the twin symbols of the governance debate come next elections. Where Narendra Modi leads and delivers Buddhadeb threatens and whines.
Parallels will be drawn on the ease with which land was acquired in Sanand from a University in stark contrast to the farmland in Singur, but then fate has blessed Modi with much more than a sense of purpose to prove a point.
And that point is today Gujarat is the only state in India where the twin pillars of Right of Center politics that Offstumped has been advocating – Economic Freedom and National Interest, ?have found a happy home.
What of West Bengal that continues to suffer?a government?that has lost its moral bearings and an opposition lacking in mental balance ?
Surely it cant be that the land that has gifted us intellectual giants like Tagore and Vivekananda has regressed so deeply into the abyss that there is neither the passion nor the imagination to spark an intellectual renaissance.
Offstumped laments for Bengal’s fate?with this hope and prayer that somewhere there is a Tagore or Vivekananda waiting to be awakened who will show Bengal the “Right” way.
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As much as I despise Bengali intellectuals (Like A Roy, Burkh Dutt, PrannoY rOY etc etc, the list is too long), there are other Bengali intellectuals fightimg for the right cause (Swapanda and Chandan da). I guess there is still hope in hell. We await another coming of Shri Swami Vivekananda to show the true light to the Bengalis. I hope that one day we will see a saffron flag atop writers building and not the red one.
rgds,
fanne
It is also a trajedy that during trying times when neo-imperelism is rising to devoid the world in general and India in particular of its own sovereignity, religion, culture the Bengali Bhadralok is siding with the imperelists. I am hopefull, just like the freedom movement (initially people like RamMohan Roy were today’s version of ’secular’ leade), Bengal would have a towering leader who would not only free Bengal first from anti-national and anti-Hindu forces but then also lead that force in rest of Inida. God willing. Bengl is long overdue for change.
Thanks,
Bharat
Expect the left/liberal leaning intellectual class, their dhimmedia friends and assorted pretenders to bury this comparison behind a wall of silence on one side and a deafening roarof distractions like kirket, high profile crime and bollywood on the other.
This contrast is too important to let slide. The governance debate must be forced into public and political discourse despite the desperate attempts by the losers (the psec netas, dhimmedia, letft-liberal activists and armchair western award winning intellectuals) to divert attn.
I am more than a a little saddened to see Bengal slide like this. The nation cannot progress without carrying these backward areas forward. The problem with areas like Chattisgarh and Jharkhand is the maoist (and NGO supported) insurgency but once this is wilfully and thoughtfully tackled, these areas will see progress. The rot in WB seems deeper, though.
Unfortunate that Bengal lost Nano project… who else had they to blame for this but themselves and their office bearers…( govt and opposition both )
Opportunity knocked Bengal… not only knocked it also stepped in.. but then it was not welcomed…
the next moment Tata was out of Singur…
It is a great news that Nano is in Gujarat…Tatas will be followed by their ancillaries and then the dependent businesses.This will boost Gujarat in a big way… employement, infrastructure, economy to name a few…. Having a Tata Motors plant in the city is a big achievement to be proud of. All those who have known the TATA industry house… know they come up with all the supporting infrastructure as well eg housing, hospitals, schools etc… (eg Jamshetpur, Chinchwad) this all helps the city to prosper….
Gujarat is lucky to have an able administrator like Modi.
Mr Modi… we are proud of you….the singleminded dedication towards the people of Gujarat is mind blowing….
We need you at the national level…..
The exit of nano from Singur is the victory of good over evil this Dushera. Bengal has been saved from a version of development that requires people to part with their land even if they don’t want to. Along with the referendum results in Raigad’s Pen tehsil against RIL, there seems to be some cheer for democracy and democratic rights over “development”. You must read Prem Shankar Jha in yesterday’s HT: http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/Print.aspx?Id=25c3d8e9-74e5-43e8-94d3-dd1d2be21992
A gem by offstumped on this auspicious day.
Thanks
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I am forwarding link to this one to all my friends.
Burka Dutt is a Punjabi… Just to clarify that the rot is all over India. Rajdeep Sirdeasai is from Goa/Gujarat..
This is the best Durga Puja gift I’ve had in my life. As a Bengali, I wasn’t absolute sure if Nano is such a bad thing for WB, though I reveled on the prospect of seeing egg on the commie faces in power. Now, that it went to Modi, I could not be happier that Nano went from WB to Gujarat. In the short term, this will indeed hurt Bengal, and us – Bengalis, but without this we will never open our eyes . This, I sincerely hope, is in the best interest of India, as well as Bengal’s.
Nice to see Yoss turn from his “dharmic” article.
B.
I would like to see Greatbong comment on this..
I’m from India man!!! I don’t club myself to the narrow lanes of states like you and your demigod Modi do. Actually I’m more from US now. I’m a part of CNN framework. I observe Obama, when he speaks, like a child awestruck with fireworks in the dark sky. I mean I love this guy. He is just awesome. Couple of months back I tried to project an Indian Obama; of course omitting your demigod and Karachi boy. I love the presidential debates. I even proposed for one in Indian elections. It will be fun, it’ll boost my TRP and it’ll decide who has the actual caliber to talk in the debates. Again demigod and Karachi boy would not be invited as they can hijack any debate with their right wing fundamentalist fascist theories.
“”" Tata told TOI in an exclusive interview that he was extremely impressed with Modi’s seriousness of intent and the speed with which his government moved to seal the deal.
Tata Motors MD Ravi Kant said it took Gujarat just 10 days to tie up all the loose ends — make the land ready for possession, get all clearances and approvals and offer a final deal. Tata said his company decided to take up the offer “late last evening”, and he was here the next day to sign an MoU with the state government.”"”
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/Ahmedabad/Finally_Nano_all_set_to_drive_into_Gujarat/articleshow/3567686.cms
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Business/India_Business/For_Tatas_I_could_give_my_land_free_Gujarat_farmer/articleshow/3569616.cms
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/opinions/msid-3567686,curpg-1.cms
Good for Ratan Tata. He knows progress can’t be made in a non-progressive atmosphere like that in WB. Of course, these selfsame non-progressive people call themselves “progressive”. And communal, “hindus don’t have rights”-people call themselves “secular”. People demanding equal rights as minorities and a stop to special favours to minorities are called “communal”.
Narendrabhai Modi, keep up the good work. Keep ignoring the bleating of the psec media. Satyameva jayate.
@ Bhavananda:
You wrote in Dharmic article:
… Like all other rightwing politicians, you too seem to be adjusting your position from the “right to center” once fame starts pouring in – much like the BJP politicians (e.g. Shri L. K. Advani).
I would say, Shri Advani is still hundred times better most than other BJP leaders. Except Advani and Modi, all others trying to be politically correct and play with their words only to deceive themselves, not the Hindus. If they have not learnt any lessions from 2004, then they will learn again in 2009.
BJP is another version of Congress, or Congress is another version of BJP minus Nehru-Maino clan. If Congress removes Italian Maino clan, I bet most hindus join the Congress and dump BJP. One of the main reasons Hindus support BJP is the holding of Congress by a foreign firangi christian clan. Once Congress removes that, I bet Congress can regain lost glory and come to power with absolute majority.
Hindus need a pro-active Hindu-oriented party, which BJP can’t perform.
About fame: Yes, fames of bloggers and BJP politicians are like Indian products brands. Once they start running in the market, they don’t care quality.Result, they go bankrupt soon. Well, by that time they accumulate enough wealth to enjoy remaining life.
The chickens are coming home to roost for the commies in WB. It’s easy to blame Mamta Banerjee for “pulling the trigger”, but who loaded the gun? Bengal has been corrupted now for two generations with a perverse socialist rhetoric that painted industrialists as evil, and workers as the exploited. “Socialism” was achieved by ruling out opportunities for wealth generation. Make no mistake: the agitation by Singur farmers was really genuine and popular. So much so that a section of the CPIM developed cold feet and wanted the Tatas out. The Singur farmers sincerely believed that there was no life for them after the ‘loss’ of their land, no security and no guarantee of continued livelihood. That is the mindset of people in a primitive agrarian economy. Bengal proved that it is one, like UP and Bihar. Except that the latter have always been so, while Bengal had seen glory and then regressed into primitiveness.
Boss, I enjoyed EACH and EVERY line of this post!!
Keep up the spirits!!
Is there a possibility of a dent in Commies’ iron grip over WB because of this?
#7 NIshka
Rajdeep Sardesai – I can say with great pride
is half Marathi as well. He also grew up in Mumbai.
I would like to point out that us Maharashtrian “intellectuals” are not that far behind the Bengali’s in upholding these great secular “values.”
Yossarin – excellent post as usual.
http://www.narendramodi.in/
NaMo has a new website. And he’s asking for ideas, volunteers and what not…..Time to walk the talk for some of the folks here, perhaps….
I’d like to propose Yossarian’s name as speechwriter only….
As for suggestions – could NaMo have a chat with the Dainik Jagran group and have them launch a Tv news channel pls? Can’t be that expensive, am sure. Call it Dainik jagaran rashtravadi samachar channel or something. Register it in Dubai so that the slew of libel lawsuits the exposed NGOs, untellectuals, netas etc will file won’t be able to do much. And call a spade a spade in that channel…..
Ok, there I go dreaming again. But like somebody once said…You may say I’m a dreamer, but I’m not the only one….
Galeo (18) :
Marathi-Konkani Mumbaikar here too. Yes, many MH “intellectuals” keep their rosy glasses on and have developed a knee-jerk denial of reality of islamsits/missionaries, and do not want to appear “communal”; if they logically look at events and come to the conclusion that a muslim/christian is the guilty party, they will immediately deny and suppress their own logic, thinking that it just can’t be so..
Fortunately, the tide is slowly turning..:)
I think the contrast between the other states rolling out the red carpet for the TATAs and Gujarat, couldnt have been more starker. There were farmers protesting in AP over possible land acquisition, just like in Singur, while in Gujarat farmers were welcoming the TATAs and some were even willing to sell off their lands for less than the market value. That in itself speaks volumes of the mindset of people in Gujarat and the trust they have in the developmental policies of the govt.
As for WB, with the pinkos in power and the likes of Mamta Banerjee in opposition, hope would continue to remain the “quintessential human delusion”.
Unfortunately this time Rajeev form “Shadow Warrior” has got it too late
He writes about the new marriage between communism and christianity in China
http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/
Unfortunately, this is an old marriage. I strongly believe as I have stated elsewhere on this blog that communism is a younger sister of xianity and is used as a precursor to widespread conversion. Please keep in mind that the western communist nations such as poland etc never lost their religion but religion was wiped out in Asian communist countries. The nexus has been proved with the Indian Maoists and communists and the nepalese communists (prachanda being a christian) who are encouraging conversions. Growth in Christianity and communism have a direct relatioonship. It has been used as a powerful weapon to wipe out east religions such as Buddhism. We Hindus better feel the heat because we are right on their radar.
Unlike Islamists, Xians are very clever. They want to convert and they know that will have to pogrom the local religion so they use Communism to clear house. That way they are not sullied in any way.
In India too, the Maoists are being used to destabilize the country especially in mineral rich areas. There is as we know a very close partnership with Christians. You won’t see these maoists in Kashmir where the Muslims will kick their ass (having seen through them). Also note, very few islamic communist countries (erstwhile Soviet states were an exception).
The most dangerous insurgency we are facing is not the islamic one but the Maoist/Christian one
@Bharat:
I do agree on you first response on Shri Advani. He’s indeed a hundred times better than most BJP ones. I just don’t think thats enuf. Also, I think Modi is ~1000 better in that respect.
As for your view that Cong-Sonia=BJP, its a yes and no answer. Yes, because I think the present cong=Sonia. So, Cong-Sonia=0. And, as far equating BJP=0, I’m not sure. It still is our best bet. You seriously cannot expect Bajrang dal to run the country – they are good foot soldiers, though ! Also, I don’t think Cong under Nehru was any better than under Rajiv or under Sonia (I do concede Indira was the “only” exception)
I do agree on your analogy between famous bloggers/politicians and Indian brands – there are exceptions like Rajeev Srinivasan as well. I sincerely look forward to Yossarin being another exemplary blogger – though I understand their tremendous peer pressure to “cut cost and maximize profits” – this runs well in short run, but breaks down eventually. Yoss looks promising, as long as he can maintain safe distance from the virus (sickularism).
Guys,
Just a perspective but don’t you think all this happening because the worlds population is exploding (esp. India). These are all resource wars
How come BJP run states have not been able to stem aggressive missionary activity
@Nishka:
BJP run states fare better in curbing missionary activity. This is why you “hear” these noises from BJP ruled states like K’taka, Orissa, Rajasthan, etc. Do you hear anything coming from Bengal, TN, North East?
Your point about Qutubuddin Ansari was good, I did not know of this. My guess is that the current generations of the elites in Bengal are the decedents of the babus and stogies of British government who engineered the 1943 Bengal famine. Those who have nothing but hate for India and aspire to be like westerners.
Links to some articles have already been posted.
Here are some about the video:
I have faith in Modi: Ratan Tata (Interview)
http://broadband.indiatimes.com/toishowvideo/3571376.cms
Ratan Tata announces Nano plant in Gujarat
http://broadband.indiatimes.com/toishowvideo/3570708.cms
It’s a new chapter for Gujarat: Modi
http://broadband.indiatimes.com/toishowvideo/3570668.cms
Some years from now….may be 20-30… CPI Government in West Bengal may anounce it’s separation from India and joining a great bangladesh.
@ galeo,ashish.
I do agree with their point that maharashtra has some dirty intellectuals,but remember its described by any right winger as a top rastrawadi rajya in bharat..People in maharashtra do not hesitate to take the name of veer savarkar with pride even on live television..This just shows the core nationalism of maharashtrian’s (especially the hindu nationalism)..I feel even the congress in MH acts as a nationalist party to some extent.
Folx i dont know whether you have heard of this :
Arjun Singh is upto his old trciks again.
He has dropped the Lotus symbol from Kendriya Vidyalaya’s Logo and has replaced it with a crescent and a cross.
Nishka, you are right. The most dangerous ones are the communists. The overground communists are hand in glove with the underground ones. This became evident when the Indian Marxists went to Nepal to negotiate with Maoists there to foist them on the throne. This they did very cleverly. And in India they are trying to distance from the underground ones.
Of late the underground ones viz. the Maoists have started accepted contract killings “Supari”. Otherwise there is no reason for killing the Swamiji in Orissa. The Maoists used to attack police stations, railways etc., i.e. the symbols of the government. When did they start attacking and killing venerated Hindu swamijis. For them conversion from Hindus to Christianity is OK. But reconversion from Christianity to Hinduism is wrong. The swamiji lived a simple life. Provided succor to the poor. I don’t think the so called Maoists or naxalites will object to providing succor to the poor. Then the reason for killing lies elsewhere.
The Orissa Maoists comprises of majority Christians. Christians have been apprehended for killing the Swamiji. No body in the UPA, communists especially the Marxist variety, the English media have objection to the killing of the swamiji. But they cry hoarse for the subsequent happenings, though unfortunate but necessarily a corollary to the killing of the venerated swamiji.
Our Government came under pressure from the Vatican, the Christian countries viz. European Union, Italy, USA etc. But when hindus were attacked, their temples were razed down our SECULAR government kept a sphix like silence. Secularism is for the Christians and Muslims and not for hindus. Hindus are destined to be killed or converted.
Now these so called secular fundamentalists are clamoring for the banning of hindu organizations. Everything falls into place. These were all ploys played by the UPA and their supporters and communists. They have nothing to say about the killings and ethnic cleansing in Assam. They have nothing to say about the illegal infiltration of Bangladeshis into India, rather they support them. Even Ram Vilas Paswan advocated conferring citizenship on them. See through the game. We are being systematically persecuted and our rights including religious rights violated by the so called secular fundamentalists.
Dear Sir,
thank you Shivam for the link,
This is most correct analysis of the singur proble.
I expected that Yossarin will pen a sensitive article like this here, but he went along the CPIM and Mamta bashing line.
Kudos to Gujaratis. Kudos to Narrendra Bhai Damodar Dass Modi.
“What will be Nano known as from now on” a morning walker mate asked me in morning. NANO GUJARATI, I said jubilantly.
“What color Nano be painted with?” he asked.
Safforn is the best color, I replied.
“It will be interesting to watch ‘Secular Jihadis’ squirm”, He said. I smiled
What a shame Nano shifted from the citadel of ‘secularism’ to the bastion of ‘Communalism’.
East (West Bengal) to West (Gujarat) Modi’s Gujarat is best.
NANO GUJARATI has finally arrived.
Hail Nano Gujarati, Hail Narrendra Modi!
I am loving it.
PI.
Ratan Tata defined his journey from Singur to Sanand as a diffrence between bad M and good M.
Sure, Ratan has the guts to put right finger on the problem and state boldly. Why NAMO or rather Gujarat won the race is best described the in the following articles. Good Governance, Good Application of Mind and Good Intentions have won Gujarat the NANO project and Yoss is right on spot to pinpoint this in his blog.
‘Slow follow-up action cost state Tata project’
Times of India – India
From the developments over the last two days, it was clear that when Tata Motors officials were discussing the land proposals with Deshmukh, Narendra Modi …
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Mumbai/Slow_follow-up_action_cost_state_Tata_project/articleshow/3571663.cms
How Modi’s men fought battle of wits… and won
Expressindia.com – New Delhi,India
But before bagging the prestigious Nano car project from Tata Motors, the Gujarat government under Chief Minister Narendra Modi had adopted a two-pronged …
http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/how-modis-men-fought-battle-of-wits-and-won/370821/
Now CPI(M) disappointed by Tatas setting up Nano plant in Gujarat
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/News_By_Industry/Auto/Automobiles/CPIM_disappointed_by_Tatas_setting_up_Nano_plant_in_Gujarat_/articleshow/3570854.cms
This is funny since I remember lot of commentators on this blog were vehemently against TATA’s and how they were taking moral highground with regards to land aquisition etc,. Now the same people are applauding Ratan Tata just because he has chosen to go to Gujarat. This smacks of the same double standard behaviour the secularists have and its funny to see the same here.
YOSS
Can you do a write up on those behind Mamatas Campaign? I hear Hyundai and Bajaj had given huge funds to the NGO’s supporting Mamata in her campaign and they did it for their own interests. Also do you think Mamata will profit from Nano going away from bengal or do you feel it will work against her in elections since the main strategy was to prolong and bleed Ratan Tata so that Nano is not able to meet the deadline set ?
G,
As I remember bloggers here were against government acquiring land from farmers only to give it to investors… There is no such situation in Gujarat. In fact in Gujarat, if the reports are to be believed, farmers are coming forward to give their lands..
Reason is these evil, barbarian and communal gujjus are like Jews – they understand money unlike the intellectual resident Bengalis..
At the end of it both WB and Gujarat got what they deserve.. Let’s be happy..
Raghu
If out of 1000 farmers , 300 are against it does it mean you will stop development from happening ? In the larger interest of the nation if industralisation demands lands from those who are not willing due to some imaginary reasons then they should educated and advocacy has to happen so that they know the importance of industralisation. There may be genuine fears and apprehensions and its the duty of the government when it acquires land to clear those. If giving land is bad then there wont be development since most lands are claimed by someone or the other. Forget Gujarat or WB here for a moment the point is today land is at a premium and in the larger interests of the nation some sacrifices have to be made.
it was not the question of acquisation of land by Govt, But the way CPIM Cadre openly doing the role of Govt & police.
In this blog we were criticizing Voilent way CPIM Cadre openly killed & raped Innocent Farmer & women in both singur & nandigram.
we are NOT supporter of Medha Patkar or Mamata or Brinda……but definately enjoyed their fighting.
These CPM obstructing development in whole country got their Own Medicine in Bengal.
Bengal now seriously needs BJP.
[...] Long time Offstumped readers of Bengali origin have expressed disappointment that Offstumped indulged in Mamata, CPI-M bashing in yesterday’s post without being sensitive. [...]
“This is funny since I remember lot of commentators on this blog were vehemently against TATA’s and how they were taking moral highground with regards to land aquisition etc”
it may be easier to respond if you cited specific arguments that were made.
“Can you do a write up on those behind Mamatas Campaign? I hear Hyundai and Bajaj had given huge funds to the NGO’s supporting Mamata in her campaign and they did it for their own interests.”
These conspiracy theories are immaterial to the main issue. Ratan Tata was being stupid when he spouted conspiracy theories at Bengal. That is, at best, barking up the wrong tree.
“Forget Gujarat or WB here for a moment the point is today land is at a premium and in the larger interests of the nation some sacrifices have to be made.”
I agree it would be good to avoid the temptation of feeling jubilant because Ratan Tata said a few nice things about Modi.
But I do not agree with high sounding and meaningless words like ‘larger interests’ and ’sacrifices’. There are fundamental problems with those – for one, the ‘progressives’ get to define what those ‘larger interests’ are. The larger interests may also include Hindus ’sacrificing’ basic security at their temples and killing themselves in stampedes, so government can increase Haj passengers. Let us not go there.
If we must discuss, we may have to start from the root cause. Why is land under so much government / socialist control that it is impossible for a owner to do what he wants to do with it? Who does this control benefit? Why do our industrialists pretend they are votaries of capitalism when in reality what they want is crony capitalism?
i would suggest barbarindians.blogspot.com
Regarding giving land to Tatas, Gujarat govt. has taken care to realise market price from Tatas and given option to Tatas to pay staggered instalments. Further, the land already was in Government custody reserved for Agriculture University. Out of 2200 acres of such land, 1100 acres have been sold to Tatas. The reaction of Gujarat farmers, after knowing the deal, was to give even free if Tatas were to ocupy their land. That’s the spirit.
In W. Bengal, Govt. robbed farmers by buying their prize lands forecefully paying allegedly less than the market price. The turmoil arose when farmers learnt that their lands were sold at higher price to Tatas. WB govt. was indeed foolish not to understand this psychology. They should have facilitated direct sale of farmer lands to Tatas and resolved the issue amicably.
This is the big big difference between pragmatic thinking and enforced solution.
@ prashant
CPIM raped FARMER?
Mamata overplayed her hand; however if this results in the coalescing of rural Bengal’s disenchantment with the CPIM and make them weaker then it will be a great fallout.
If the CPIM is defeated it will be like Vijaya Dashami all over again.
Yoss boss (I like the term
) I think you need to run a separate section or a separate blog on media watch – the relentless biased reporting in the mainstream media needs to be exposed – and with some smart SEO, we could have your blog turn up whenever people search relevant terms for India.many of us will volunteer for sure – I will.
@ KVS
>>> But they cry hoarse for the subsequent happenings, though unfortunate but necessarily a corollary to the killing of the venerated swamiji.
Very nice. Yossarin’s dharmic methodology flag already in tatters
But KVS — Look at that line again.
UNFORTUNATE BUT NECESSARY COROLLARY.
That is what the average Muslim and Christian think BJP reaqlly thinks, despite all their protestations to the contrary. You have provided them confirmation.
Now why not ask for Muslims co-operation in building in the Ram temple at Ayodhya? After all you have totally convinced them, that their doubts about Hindus and BJP are totally right?
I am surprised that some of you seem to think that its perfect to totally alienate people from other communities who may be coming here to see what Hindus REALLY FEEL.
The moment you say ITS UNFORTUNATE BUT NECESSARY, you have lost any hope of compromise or understanding. So now what, proceed rightaway into full-blown civil war? I can understand why those who eat American scraps safely far away think so. Far away indeed from any real clash or riot.
Community A — it is unfortuate but necessary corollary to kill some of you, such is life.
Community B — we fully understand, however some of our own innocents were killed in your corolary action, and now they would be killing some of you in their own natural corollary retaliation.
Community A — yes, we understand fully. Its really unfortunate, but your natural corollary retaliation, as you know full well, is sure to kill some of our innocents and we would have to have a natural unfortunate retaliation back at ya.
Community B — I see we are in agreement. Let us sit down and formulate the rules of a civil war.
****
Just explaining it in a simple manner. Yossarin may have been too high brow for ya.
@Ramu,
Yeah so? Whichever community is stronger and has larger numbers to fight for itself… will soon rout the other community and prevail. If the Confederates had won the American civil war, it’s obvious slavery would have taken many more decades to overcome, if at all. The anomaly in our own country is that the majority is held to ransom by the minority and there’s only so many insults Shishupala could hurl before he was decapitated by Krishna.
So just what is your beef with the Dharmayudh? Continue minority appeasement indefinitely until one day they come knocking on your door?
ramu,
“So now what, proceed rightaway into full-blown civil war? I can understand why those who eat American scraps safely far away think so. Far away indeed from any real clash or riot.”
as usual you are drawing the wrong conclusions. Its funny to see somone representing 2.5% of the population ‘threatening’ of civil war, not sure even your own corelegionists see things in such a deluded manner
as a matter of fact they seem to be running around screaming ‘follow the law please’, just not those anti-conversion laws ofcourse. It’s hilarious a converter ‘threatening’ civil war and riots, when the pseudos would prefer the word massacre. You must feel real safe to recommend civil war for your co-relegionists! forget physically, makes one wonder where you are mentally 
if there is any true lesson the Christian community should learn from the recent happenings, it is this. Dont aggresively convert hindus, there might be backlash, and it may not be limited to the converters. Mobs of any relegion dont have a ‘brain’, they cant tell between the converters and the others. Therefore to ensure your security be the first ones to openly oppose and ban missionaires.
@#1 Indian
The names you have mentioned are NOT intellectuals but NEWSREADERS/REPORTERS.
Thanks
@#1 Indian :CORRECTION
The names you have mentioned on the first line are NOT intellectuals but NEWSREADERS/REPORTERS.
Thanks
BOTH TATA AND CPM ARE THUGS.
Ratan Tata claims that he has taken the decision to pull the Nano project out of West Bengal with great sadness. He has held one, single, person responsible for his decision — Mamata Banerjee — who “held a gun to his head and pulled the trigger”. Industry leaders have queued up behind him to predict a dire future for Bengal. “If it is difficult for the state to ensure security for someone like the Tatas,” said R. Seshasayee of Ashok Leyland, “it is easy to imagine what will happen to others.”
There is, however, another side to this story. Had you been listening closely to Tata’s press conference, you would have heard him say, “We believe compensation has been paid and that it is a fair compensation.” Paid by whom? Not by the Tatas. And that is the key to understanding why the company is so casually exiting West Bengal today. The Tatas did not pay for the land. The Rs 131 crore compensation paid to farmers and sharecroppers as of December 2006 was paid by the West Bengal government. The Tatas had taken the land from the West Bengal government on lease and the lease rent is a pittance.
In reality, therefore, the Tatas have pulled out so quickly because they had very little at stake in West Bengal. It is true that their investment in the Nano project runs to around Rs 1,500 crore. But the overwhelming proportion of this money has been spent on machinery.The Tatas have been moving these out for some time. They will also move out generators, computers, specialised cabling and all other moveable items of office and factory equipment. Their final loss will thus be the flooring of their sheds, their investment in infrastructure, and the actual cost of erection of the plant and installation of machines. This will not be a small sum, and will be a dead loss, but one suspects that it will be much less than what West Bengal’s government has sunk into the acquisition of the land.
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http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/StoryPage.aspx?id=25c3d8e9-74e5-43e8-94d3-dd1d2be21992
@sachin,
You are right. Ratan Tata is not of the same cut as his predecessors. By the same token the Ambanis of India are greedier still. They will rape this country for money.
The most altruistic folks are the Narayana Murthy’s of the world.
@ Aryan
I think I represent about 60 % of Hindus
(Make what you will of that)
And also, I live in India. A civil war has no winners, what you get at the end is maybe Bangladesh or Somalia
And unlike you, I LIVE here, and I do not want communities battling, as unlike you, people I know may get killed in retaliation from any side.
Civil war with christians? I did not mean christians anyway, I was talking about Muslims.
Nishka has said it before, and I think Yossarin too, that you cant wish away 14 % of the population.
Find a way to deal with it.
For those aggressively staking the moral high ground, pls know that history is *always* written by the victors. So either win the battle for space, survival and dharma (for thats what it is!) or have your entire history, culture and faith wiped out. Entire cultures in the Americas (both North and south) were wiped out and go unmourned coz what replaced them has written their history. And yes, yindoosim has also seen what happens as and when the semitic cults with their take-no-prisoners/my-God-only God ideologies demographically dominate Indic faiths in any part of the land – Papistan, Beggardesh and Kandahar are prime examples.
Bottomline – Indics should wake up and take this as a serious, existential warning. Respond with the gravity and will, ruthlessness where necessary and strategic foresight where possible against the self-described expansionist exclusivist chauvinists chronically suffering from a Monotheistic gawd delusion. That is Dharma. Rolling over and dying is not a dharmic option.
Just my 2 paisa onlee.
/Have a nice day, all.
@ramu
I am not sure if 60% of hindus got the memo they are represented by a indoctrinated hindu-hating roman catholic ! oh snap, maybe you are right
Its funny you make hateful derogatory statements about India, all hindus, indian cops that die fighting terrorists, nationalists, and then you brag about LIVING in india? so what exactly are you bragging about, being a traitor
it was your theory of retaliation and counter retalition, riots and civil war like Iraq, as opposed to what we really see in India. So please spare us the BS about caring about people dying from any community.
Why is fertile land being given for factories? Why not Bhuj or Rajasthan which do not have arable land?
If you believe that there was no arm wrestling involved in Gujrat, then you are under a major illusion. My sense is that Narendra Modi does not listen to anyone and that is a dangerous thing. His achievements will be big but then so will his mistakes.
G,
Larger interest of the nation is to respect the fundamental rights of its citizens. IMO removing right to property from fundamental rights by socialist Janata government itself was a big crime..
Let every owner decide to sell/not sell even on flimsy grounds.. Government’s job is to govern and not play real estate broker..
@Ramu
Are you by any means justifying the gory actions of community B?
“that you cant wish away 14 % of the population.Find a way to deal with it”
Can you give any suggestions on how to deal on one hand with an Islamic resurgence(Ghaznavi’s army as they call themselves) based on a violent sadistic ideology & with almost total sympathy & tacit support from 10% appro. Population if not more, who are fed with the ‘victim’ mentality & aggrieved that the colonial masters did grave injustice by snatching ‘Hindustan’ (which they claim is ‘rightfully’ theirs, as Islam ruled it before the British), from them & handing it over to the ‘Hindu’ majority, irrespective of whether they are ‘secular’ or otherwise & on the other hand a crusading Inquisition Army with a global trail of bloody massacres & a history of numerous genocides? who are on a clandestine ‘mission’ of converting India into a Christian state (sic) by 2020, & their ‘Vatican Pimp’ has the audacity to proclaim it in public, aren’t these malicious intentions & the ground realities are enough pointers that who are preparing conducive atmosphere for an inevitable civil war? With an impotent Polity & self centered politicians – Must we turn a blind eye to all this degeneration & push it under the carpet to let it decay? Just because we are ‘Oh so patient & forgiving type’ et al.. Awaiting further Balkanization of the sub-continent?
>>>Along with the referendum results in Raigad’s Pen tehsil against RIL, there seems to be some cheer for democracy and democratic rights over “development”.
How can democracy win where it doesn’t exist? Or where there is no freedom to choose. Places that have been under prolonged leftist influence are conditioned for herd thinking–in this case, land-is-future seems to be the mantra for “peasants and workers.”
By the same criterion the wide Chinese support for Maoist olympics and repression of Tibetan protesters would pass for democratic.
“IMO removing right to property from fundamental rights by socialist Janata government itself was a big crime..”
Meddling with right to land has a history longer than the few months Janata government. Keshavananda Bharati case was in 1973, and a lot had happened even before that, starting the fifties.
http://www.india-forum.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=746
Anand in Sanand as crackers go off in Gujarat
8 Oct 2008, 0330 hrs IST, Vijaysinh Parmar,TNN
SANAND (Ahmedabad): This year Diwali kept its date with Gujarat a good 20 days earlier than scheduled, as the Tata small car heralded its arrival in
the state to the sound of fire-crackers.
As news of Nano finally rolling into Sanand broke, the anticipation of the past few days gave way to widespread celebrations across the state as proud Gujaratis burst firecrackers to welcome the prestigious project. The announcement also sparked off a race to set up hoardings to welcome Ratan Tata and his Rs 1 lakh people’s car in Ahmedabad.
At ground zero in Chharodi village, jubilant villagers welcomed the announcement with a bang as they danced to the tunes of the dhol, distributed sweets, threw colour on each other and burst fire-crackers. “We finally got Nano,” was the common refrain. And even the disappointment of Ratan Tata not visiting the plant site did not dampen the spirits of the villagers, who had gathered there in the hope of catching a glimpse of the Tata chief.
“We are on the world map thanks to Nano. We are very happy as it is win-win situation for all. Farmers will gain not just with good land deals but also or through better employment opportunities,” said Habibkhan Pathan, resident of Chharodi village. “We have been charged up since the Nano project was declared as it will transform the entire landscape of Sanand just as the Tatas changed the scenario in Jamshedpur and Mithapur,” said Murazkhan Pathan, a farmer of Kalana village.
In Ahmedabad, the streets erupted with whoops of joy. Gujarat’s apex trade and industry body, the Gujarat Chamber of Commerce and Industry (GCCI) burst crackers worth Rs 50,000 and distributed 15 kg of sweets as
businessmen danced to the tunes of a band to mark the pathbreaking announcement.
“We wanted to accord a special welcome to the Nano, which is why we decided to burst crackers worth Rs 1 lakh. We will also celebrate today’s garba with more joy because of Nano,” said Karnavati Club secretary Girish Dani.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/A…how/3571660.cms
Link for the above
I would really like Namo to address the issue of pollution in Gujarat. It is noxious and getting worse. Add to it the health issues of folks who work in toxic areas like Vapi and Alang.
Looks like NaMo had taled to Ratan Tata in Jan 07!!
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How Modi brought the Nano to Gujarat
10/10/2008 10:27:51 http://specials.rediff.com/money/2008/oct/10sd1.htm
By the evening of October 6, the buzz in Ahmedabad was unmistakable.
Though most people expected Tata Motors to select either Andhra Pradesh or Karnataka for its Nano project, it was clear that Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi had done the impossible and coming from nowhere bagged the prestigious project.
The next day, a beaming Modi along with Tata Group Chairman Ratan Tata announced at Gandhinagar that the Rs 1-lakh people’s car will be made at Sanand, not far from the state capital. The day also marked Modi completing seven years in office.Much before things took an unexpected turn at Singur in West Bengal, Modi had first suggested Ratan Tata during the Vibrant Gujarat Summit in January 2007 to move out of Singur and shift to Gujarat.
“We will give you everything you require here,” he had told Tata in the presence of a top Tata Chemicals executive and some senior government officials. It was at this event that Tata had said: “You are stupid if you are not in Gujarat.”
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http://www.haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?PageID=7254&SKIN=B
hi Folks, Can some one throw light on whether the media reports of another Singur happening in Gujarat are true…
A Modi fan in the media
. shes too happy just to talk to him . IBN is certainly not hiring her ever
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i know im writting this much after the topic is out of discussion,mr.raghu has got it all wrong about gujarat and so has {mr or miss or both} niska, its like since the bengalis dint get nano the grapes are sour,LOL,
but after reading what sum people had to say about gujarat and gujaratis i wud like to giv them sum light on what gujarat and guajaratis really are :
Gujarat has got 30 % of stock market capitalization and gujaratis own 46 % of all stocks,debentures and bond.
for ppl who dont know the stock markets there are 64 listed companies on bombay stock exchange with gujarat as the word in it and 674 companies of the total listed companies are owned by gujaratis.
we know what is better for us as a community and thats prosperity being a author u can never make the wealth of mukesh ambani{perhaps if all the authors from independence combine their wealth and multiply it by 2 and then square it}
gujarat alone attracts most investment, the growth rate of gujarat is 12.4 % thats way ahead of other indian states.
gujarat is the leading producer of chemicals ,petrochemicals,pharmacy products,etc.The most richest people are gujaratis and not bengalis”dhirubhai,anil,mukesh,azim premji,karsan patel,jignesh shah,tulsi tanti”just to name a few.
now that was with what the gujaratis are best at “making money”
gandhiji is called the father of nation,and it is he who has his photo on every indian currency note that u might have.
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