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Journalists or Cheerleaders

She may not be white skinned, blonde haired or bikni clad but none of them mattered in the vulgar striptease that was enacted on the CNN-IBN in the run up to the final vote count as an out of control Sagarika Ghosh exposed much more than political bias and instant punditry. ?She reminded us of the abyss journalistic standards have hit in the 24×7 news media as she jumped up and down as a lap dog yelping the “ayes have it”, “ayes have it” even before all of the votes were tallied. That moment marked the rock bottom that journalistic standards have hit in moden Indian democracy making them indistinguishable from political cheerleading.

Chronicling the murky saga of a confidence vote won by defections and abstentions would not be complete without a full accounting of the off-camera motives, on camera actions and the circumstances leading up to the recording of a sting operation and the continued dithering in airing its contents.

As Rajdeep Sardesai continues to drag his feet in coming clean on where the alleged tapes are and struggles to explain why his channel is adopting double standards in airing the contents of the sting the nation continues to count the wages of parliamentary deal making.

The media may have chanted “Singh is King” but Indians across the spectrum are left wondering “of which political whorehouse” ?

Dr. Singh may want to believe that yesterday’s events were vindication of sorts, his cheerleader brigade in the media may do its bit to have us believe that was indeed the case but the facts from yesterday dont change.

Fact#1 – A real sting operation took place

Fact#2 – Real money was exchanged at the behest of Amar Singh

Fact#3 – Amar Singh with gutter verbiage did not deny the facts and did little to dispel his image of the political whorehouse he is runing that Manmohan Singh and Sonia Gandhi have now become chief patrons

Fact#4 – Rajdeep Sardesai went on air on CNN-IBN to admit that his channel had in possession the tapes and that they were being handed over to the Speak

Fact#5 – An out of control Sagarika Ghosh could not wait for the finall votes to be tallied to declare the UPA winner

Fact#6 – That premature tally with over 40 votes to be counted was enough for Rajdeep Sardesai and Diptosh Majumdar to declare on air that the taint of the cash for votes scandal was washed away 7

Fact#7 – 24 hours after the fact we are yet to see the tapes or an explanation from Rajdeep Sardesait?and his cheerleader better half on why the double standard in airing the sting operation.

Offstumped poser to CNN-IBN: This aint over Mr Sardesai and Ms. Ghosh. We will not forget and we ill not forgive unless there is a full accounting. You may have reduced Journalism to naked cheerleading, you have the freedom to do so. But it is a free market and it works both ways. Sooner or later this despicable conduct will come back to bite you.

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92 Responses

  1. anon says:

    ” Sooner or later this despicable conduct will come back to bite you. ”

    i doubt if they give a s*it.

    it is the dumb morons at the bjp who gave it to them on a platter and *then* turned around and bent over.

    let us forget this and move on.

  2. Chanakya says:

    Yoss Boss,

    1) Small nit pick. There are few spelling mistakes in the post. Correct them if you can.
    2) Professional whores do not have shame. Expecting shame from media guys is useless
    3) If the BJP trusted CNN/IBN then shame on BJP guys. Pardon my french but Are they fuc*ing retards or what???
    4) What is stopping BJP from out rightly boycotting CNN/IBN ???
    5) NOBODY loves a whiner. If BJP is looking for a shoulder to cry then it would only cause disgust among its supporters. I would rather like to see BJP grow spine and *fight*. Put the fear of God in the media and opposition(anti-hindu parties only)
    6) Put the media in their place. Modi/Maya/Jayalalitha have done it and showed how to do it. Just have faith in yourself and go ahead.

  3. prashant says:

    YOSSARIN

    we must have second angle too(honestly i now sympathise with Rajdeep as he has bcom Ajit joke)

    CNN-IBN is owned by CNBC and master is RAGHAV BEHL.
    IT IS SAID HE GOT PANICKED AS HIS CNBC DEPENDS UPON FINANCE MINISTRY

    SO MR RAGHAV BEHL MUST EXPLAIN AS SOME BLOGGER POINT OUT THAT ACTUALLY HE WHO STOPPED TELECAST.
    SECOND SPEAKER OFFICE MUST RESPOND AS TILL MORE THAN 24 HOURS PASSED AND WE HAVE NOT HEARD FROM SPEAKER ON YESTERDAY DISGRACE INCIDENT HAPPENED IN PARLIAMENT.

    TO BE NOTED OUR SPEAKER HAS NOT RESIGNED STATING HE IS ABOOVE POLITICAL PARTY SO HE MUST HAVE ACTED OR ISSUED STATEMENT TODAY ITSELF.
    PEOPLE WANTS TO KNOW THE TRUTH OF YESTERDAY DISGRACEFUL INCIDENT IN PARLIAMENT.

  4. Chanakya says:

    also check this link. our beloved rajdeep speaks…

    http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/jul/23cd.htm

  5. Chanakya says:

    Prashant

    There is no need to search for justifications for RS. His part record is ample evidence to show where his loyalties are. Please check the above link posted by me.

    I am upset with BJP for not taking a tough line in this episode.

  6. yossarin says:

    pardon the typos this was typed in haste I am indisposed and out of internet access for the most part so wanted to squeeze this in in response to the many comments. CNN-IBN may not give a shit right now but the media backlash is inevitable just as it has happened in other democracies where the mainstream media has strayed to far to one side of the political spectrum.

  7. prashant says:

    IT WAS NOT JUSTICATION BUT JUST THE SYMPATHY FOR RS.

    DEAR BJP HAS PLAYED THE RIGHT GAME

    JOR KA JHATKA DHEERE SE LAGA

    FOR THE FIRST TIME MEDIA HAS TO GIVE EXPLANATION.

  8. anon says:

    ‘mainstream’ is not really the case in india. there is may be two percent of the population that follows english news.

    for the bjp, that tape does not matter as ‘evidence’ for ‘proceedings’ in the house committee or whatever. the tape mattered for a quick airing to the public. shock and awe. they can have the tape in the house and go over it and get some MPs suspended or whatever. does not matter.

    as someone said in french, the f*king retards did f*ck it up.

    not just that the channel did not give a s*t, he gave a singe finger salute as well. he is reported to have said ‘we dont go by politicians’ will’.

    yossarin, if you have any contact at all in the bjp, please make sure this feedback on their botched f*ck up reaches them. they can boycott this channel right away, dont allow them in their press-meets. that is the least they can do. playing nice will make them look even more silly, retarded, and f*cked up.

  9. Jiggs says:

    Folx…

    I think BJP has some up their sleeves, if they dont produce the tape or force IBN to do so, they lose all credibility in India.

    If you see the sequence of the happenings today:

    1. IBN @ 8 PM…Sulabha Bhonsle said that the tapes have been handed over to the speaker today?
    2. LKA earlier today lobbed the ball very much onto IBN , saying that it is very surprising why the channel is not releasing the tapes.

    Rajdeep is missing in action today, I have IBN on on my telly, I havent hide nor hair of his.

    I see one word written over this episode…REVENGE…Fellas..BJP is not blind, they know how partial IBN has been to them….

    The drama will unfold in the coming days and the truth will be out soon…..

    It be a pleasure watching Rajdeep being tortured for a change :)

  10. palash says:

    This is absolutely pathetic and ridicuously stupid from BJP having Jaitley, Advani and Modi in their camp.

    Why are they begging to IBN to show the video? If they have it mail it to other channels and if they don’t (which is very likely it seems), then, Mr LKA, go to hell with your PM-in-waiting ship for trusting none other than CNN-IBN.

    As for School Master, he’s not disclosing it given that he must have got assurance from Congress for a Governor and next Presidentship after getting expelled from Mr Ego Carat.

    Tape was needed to be shown to the world to unmask the Congress and SP. The every hour goes by without showing it, the ‘evidence’ tends to become irrelevant.

  11. Chanakya says:

    Jiggs,

    I beg to differ.

    BJP suffers from 2 problems.

    1) Desperate to become “acceptable” to the main stream “intelligentsia”. But the more they try to appease, the more strident the MSM becomes.
    2) Typical Hindu trait of not having “killer instinct” to finish off your opponent when you are on top. Giving one more chance and hoping that opponents would redeem themselves. The results are catastrophic.

    I hope BJP proves me wrong and pulls out an ace from their pocket.

  12. Prasanna says:

    Picture speaks a thousand words

    Barbarindian who runs a brilliant blog captures its all-a beaming Sagarika

    http://barbarindians.blogspot.com/2008/07/her-widest-smile-yet.html

  13. anonymous says:

    absolutely agree with chanakya. we are bjp supporters and we want bjp to be aggressive and stop being the whiners and trying-to-please guys. bring on Modi.

    this episode, and that press note with ‘raising questions about journalistic ethics’, are all disgusting to a bjp supporter.

  14. NK says:

    I tend to agree that BJP fcuked up the golden chance they had. Just imagine what effect the playing of tapes simultaneously with the trust vote in the parliament would have had on the electorate. Congress, SP would not have been able to recover from the shock. The perception (which matters more than reality) would in that case would be that Congress bought the votes. Perception is still that but not very effective.

    I think there a possibility that BJP on learning that IBN is not playing the tapes, tried to salvage the situation by showing the bribe in Parliament.

    One outcome of this is that credibility of Rajdeep & IBN has taken a severe blow.

  15. saurav says:

    i do not see anything wrong if Rajdeep supports X or Y party. Everyone needs to grow in his career and he cannot be emotional about it.

    if BJP is so concerned then they should install their own TV network competing Rajdeep or hire /pay journalists.

  16. Chanakya says:

    Hi NK,

    what credibility?? there is absolutely no credibility to RS or his channel to begin with. But that did not stop him from trying to do everything to harm BJP.

    There are only two things here. Either BJP is dumb or cowards or both.

    Appeasement never worked in the past and will never work in future. People love those who have courage to take a stand.

    Look at Modi. He showed middle finger to the media. It did not harm his reelection. Also remember that Advaniji had his maximum support during Rath yatra days and not the current “new & improved” – “sufficiently secularized” version of Advaniji-2.0

    I remember an american(?) quote “If you grab a guy by his b@lls, his heart and mind would follow”. Thats the way to proceed with MSM.

  17. saurav says:

    Look crying or feeling bad is no solution.
    Can anyone tell me why BJP cannot launch a Fox news like Pro – conservative news channel like Republican party in USA?.

    Look Television is Private Industry. Money rules, to expect non – bias from X TV channel is asking too much.

    What exactly is stopping BJP from starting Fox News like channel? Dont they have Money?. Surely it dosent cost a lot of money for major National party?.

    When a dumb illiterate person like me can think about it then I pity BJP having so many intelligent people and they cannot come up with a TV channel?

  18. proud Indian says:

    i don’t think BJP fked up. they will wait till some one breaks this deafening silence from : IBN, SPEAKER, GOVT, etc…

    once the tapes r shown by IBN / speaker… it will improve credibility of BJP. If these guys have the tapes “worked upon” then BJP can come out with the true uncut tapes…

    A win win situation for BJP.

    knowing the agenda of IBN i doubt BJP has put all its ACE’s in Rajdeep’s hand.

    this must be strategic… lets have some patience and faith.

  19. gujjuman says:

    CNN IBN is insult to democratic values of India. I think we should not just stop by denouncing it as biased rather their complete business should pay for it. I have never seen BJP so feeble. I dont understand what is problem with BJP. I am just getting mad at BJP leadership.

  20. Ot says:

    Did the BJP enroll IBN con-artists? I doubt it. I think the “channel” somehow got into the act before even the BJP top brass knew what was going on. Perhaps the over-enthusiastic MPs approached Sardesai and gang. It is quite possible that MPs from boondocks are not as knowledgeable as their leaders in Delhi are. They could mistakenly believe that IBN would be gratefully all over them for giving them a good story.

  21. Janpar Mallai says:

    This is an interesting debate, but honestly, the BJP has been around since 1980 and the mainstream media has denigrated it continually since then, except for maybe a brief period when they had a bit of Vajpayee-fever. But let me tell you something – in the US, the mainstream media right now is so obsessed with Barack Obama and so disdainful of John McCain that it is almost sickening, yet Obama leads by only a few points. Ultimately, hype is hype and the voter who knows what they believe in is not going to switch to another party because the news channel they watch is campaigning in favor of one party over another. In fact, it is likely to backfire and make them even more resolved to go and vote for the other party. So forget about it – honestly. As long as the mainstream media can get TRP’s by pumping the ego’s of ultra-liberal viewers by making them feel like really great people for voting for Kangress, they will do just that.

  22. saurav says:

    Look if BJP continues like this I feel the party will be finished in a few years. Attack is best form of defence. If you keep quite slowly Kangress will finish off the urban BJP voters by launching 10 new news channels.

    To say that the urban voters are not influenced by TV news channels is wrong. It makes an impact which you cannot deny.

    If BJP launches a Pro – Conservative, Pro- Hindutva, Pro – National Defence , anti – muslim News Channel I gaureaunty that it will beat all the TRP ratings of other channels. Even today in India the conservative Hindu population make about 50 % of the population atleast

  23. anonymous says:

    mallai – all of your points are taken, but here the bjp had a excellent shock-and-awe opportunity that they fcuked up. and the sufficiently-secularized-advani-2.0 is continuing to whine about ‘journalistic ethics’. that makes a bjp supporter’s stomach turn sick.

    a bjp supporter will want bjp to get aggressive, not just with the media but everywhere. we dont want pramod mahajan style niceties.

  24. Chanakya says:

    Hi JM,

    That is not the issue. Everyone and his dog will p*ss on a weakling. They would never dare to mess with someone who is willing to fight. Also no one will support/sympathize with those who hide behind peace-talk to coverup their cowardice.

    Unless BJP makes an example out of CNN/IBN, *everyone* will look down/scorn BJP with contempt. Give a comprehensive, thorough b*tch slap to them, everyone else will fall in line.

    This is not a question of this one issue, the credibility of BJP is on line. They can not afford to look like a weak, bumbling, whining sissies.

    Isn’t it the same reason why hindus are reduced to second rate citizens in India?? Did anybody give a damn for Amarnath issue?? Rama Setu issue??

    Ironically no one in Mumbai can insult Bala saheb and get away with it. Where as everyone takes a swipe at BJP and nothing happens.

    Time to stand up and *fight*. If they can not do it then they can as well fold the party and go home.

  25. Aryan says:

    saurav,

    Sonia miano called, her boots are a little dirty, can you please lick them clean, I’m pretty sure you dont mind.

  26. Aryan says:

    saurav,

    Sonia miano called, her boots are a little dirty, they need a good spit-shinin’, would you please, I’m pretty sure you dont mind.

  27. Chanakya says:

    Aryan,

    ????

    I have not felt saurav said anything wrong?? Did i miss any previous posts?? I thought he is fighting on our side. The last thing we need is fratricide.

    Although it is an exaggeration to say BJP will be finished, he is right that BJP need to take the fight back to Congi camp.

  28. NK says:

    Chanakya bhai, take it easy. As much as we would like to hate RS, he must be having cummunities devoted to him on Orkut. It is only in India, where ‘intellectuals’ such as editors, news channel anchors and column writers have colonized the minds of the people. In the west, people don’t care for such guys too much. It will happen in India too as the penetration of internet increases, which will happen when size of middle class increases.

    That exact quote is (by John Wayne) – “If you’ve got them by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow.”

  29. Jiggs says:

    Chanakya….

    ” Typical Hindu trait of not having “killer instinct” to finish off your opponent when you are on top”

    I AGREE HERE WITH YOU….

    As far as what I wrote up there, I really think that some haymaker will be delivered by BHAJAPA….sometime convenient….

    Else, how do you explain :

    1. Why dint BJP walk out after scam was exposed.This would have forced the speaker to delay the vote.
    2. The Speaker called all parliamentary leaders of all parties and specifically asked them, that the option to delay was open …BJP WENT WITH THE MOTION.

    How do you explain this? BJP got the eyeballs yesterday when they displayed the cash.

    Any of above two actions would have been the sucker punch at the gut of the enemy.

    They dint…I dont think its just a case of nerves…mate….there has to be something more to it….

    All we get to hear from the BJP is idiots like Javdekar and co…No JAITLEY…..

    Man some’s fishy, LKA specifically targeted IBN today during his press conf.

    I say wait for a day or two …..the truth will come out.

    IBN went on air saying that they have the tapes and they will submit this to the speaker as they dint want to get in to the parliamentary priviledge mess…

    They are bound now….

    On the other Dharmayudh thread…prasanna ..posted a link to ablog…sayin that Raghav behl the owner of TV 18 is under pressure as the Goon govt might harass him…

    Martian made an interesting comment, sayin that the tape/cd will be released after the INCRIMINATING STUFF tampered with.

    Look…Give it some time….This a question of BJP’s credibility and in an election year …I think they might be more worried about it then us….

  30. sud says:

    The title is misleading.

    It should read ‘Journalists AND cheerleaders’.

    /
    Almost mistypoed ‘whor-nalists’ there for a moment…:D

    Sadly, by letting off the rabid, frothy and forthily rabid Ass-ish nandy, the SC has only encouraged more irresponsible and unaacountable hor-nalism in the kantry, in my considered opinion…..

  31. Sharat says:

    TV Journalism..or whatever you call it …is at its Nadir after the entry of CNN-IBN News Channel…
    These guys Rajdeep Sardesai and Sagarika Ghose have taken Journalism to new Lows …..

  32. saurav says:

    Just my 2 cents..I saw the video of Sagarika. To be fair to her, her smile was just an introductory smile and it cannot be concluded that she was happy with the victory of congress party. Of course, she and Rajdeep might be pro – congress but I think she generally smiled in an introductory note.

  33. Chanakya says:

    Jiggs,

    1) The media was saying day in and day out that BJP is for the deal and making half hearted opposition to the deal. If they walk out they would have said “see…we told you so”.
    2) the trust vote had to be done. Because it is a constitutional requirement. what can speaker do? can he debar amar singh or ahmed patel (both are not LS MPs). Can he prove the validity of tapes in 1 hour??? so what can he or BJP do??? So the BJP went with the decision.

    I would be happiest person in the world if BJP has an ace in their pocket. But *as of today* they are looking downright silly and dumb.

    Let us see……….

  34. Chanakya says:

    Hi saurav,

    you are absolutely wrong. I have seen the entire episode. The lady had orgas*ms on live tv and was mumbling “congress has won — singh is king –aaaaahhhhh — ooooohhhhhhh–mmmmmhhhhh”

    It was a disgusting sight. period.

  35. Prasanna says:

    Hi Guys

    http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/jul/23upavote26.htm

    Jaitley provides some clue to the jigsaw puzzle

  36. gujjuman says:

    atleast somethings come out.. But jaitley hasnt clarified whether BJP has copy of CD or not. I think a clear cut clarification is need of hour.

  37. Ot says:

    What’s the deal struck between SP and Cong? Did SP pay all the bribe money out of its own pocket? That should be anywhere between 30 to 100 crores for 10 MPs. What’s the return on its investment?

  38. gujjuman says:

    100 crores,,,, it is not less than 300 Cr. Return on investment checkout the ADAG groups stock,,, they have recovered within 1 day.

  39. Ot says:

    So, ok, fine. What’s Anil Ambani’s RoI? Can’t be a short-term upward movement in stock price?

  40. Janpar Mallai says:

    Ot:

    Reliance Power has planned an initial investment over Rs 20000 crore to foray into nuclear power generation. The company is already implementing 28000 mw of

    Do I need to say anymore? :)

  41. Janpar Mallai says:

    Sorry guys, forgot the link

    Reliance and the Nuclear Deal

  42. Martian says:

    Now that the CD has been submitted to the Speaker.

    Either it would’ve been professionally doctored or the entire English media were already given the answer papers with the video contents and on how to spin the theory after the video goes on air.

    Why in God’s name BJP has to approach IBN for this. :( (

  43. sud says:

    Kuch nahi yaar, IBN itself stands compromised now even in the eyes of its sickular supporters.

    BTW, Sagarikkka Gosh is IMHO an asset for the BJP. I clearly recall her segment from Guj in the runup to voting there in Dec’07. She sounded out what she was totally convinced were talking points that would damage Modi. These included such gems as “Modi promises rapid economic growth, hostility to muslims and a casteless Hinduism”. Am sure she thought she’s damaged Modi greatly by exposing his agenda to the country on national airwaves.

    Except for the ‘hostility to muslims’ slander which should correctly read ‘hostility to criminals regardless of religion’, the soundbytes played so well with the middle and aspiring middle classes across urban India that this segment was never broadcasted again!

    Goose is cooked for the likes of Gosh and Soredesai, or so I hope. Time will tell if its undercooked or overcooked.

    Already, I’m sure as Goose and Sourdesai discover just how much centrist and leaning right India really is, they can fathom the enormity of the propaganda task they have embarked on. Fooling all these people all the time is no cakewalk inthe park avenue, dear hornalist biraders…. heh heh.

  44. sud says:

    BTW, we can and should use the net and youtube more effectively.

    These segments should be puton youtube for posterity to watch the posterboys of whor-nalism in the thick of akk-shun. hehehehe :d

  45. Martian says:

    just wondering if there will be a backup of the entire telecasts of all the channels, say for this entire decade. It will be of immense help in future ;)

  46. arjun says:

    I think these intellectual dishonest people masquerading as journalists need to be exposed and knocked off the high pedestal they are occupying.
    Coming to this lady, she is not even smart.

  47. sud says:

    Arjun,

    Pedastal? What pedastal? The angrezi dhimmedia has done a stellar job of discrediting itself. Where once folks of my parents’ generation venerated the BBC and took its pronouncements as gospel truth, who today would put BBC or CNN or IBN etc on that pedastal?

    Coming to newspapers, the angrezi durbar akhbaars have sunk the legacy bequeathed by the likes of Ramnath Goenka. Who today expects serios news from the trashtalk we see in the newspapers like TOI(let), HT, Chindu and IE?

    That pedastal ytou talk about is long gone. The stage is being pepared for the next stage in the news cycle – user generated and devoured content. Will take a decade prhaps to mature. But youmedia is the wave of the future. And this blog alongh with others is a drop in that coming ocean. Think about it.

    Coming to this lady, she is not even smart.

    That, my friend, is precisely why she’s an asset to the NDA. I would encourage her to shoot off more often and more loudly each time. She’ll soon be taken as seriously as Arundirty Roy is today.

    Hey, Just my 2 paise and all that.

    /Have a nice day, all.

  48. firebrand says:

    Guys
    Having been literally born in politics and growing up with elections as my mates I can assure you that those at the top are no mumbling fools in the BJP. In politics nothing is final and you will get to see in coming days that BJP senior leadership takes the war (not battle) to the Congi+media camp ;-) . These games of check and mate are games of nerves requiring patience and the ability to withstand and not merely hit a few punches. Good times are coming……………:-)

  49. kaafir says:

    What exactly is stopping BJP from starting Fox News like channel?

    What is this obsession with Fox News, which has nothing but preening windbags who have an orgasm at the sound of their own voice? Really, instead of lifting up the bar, you want to bring it even lower? And that’s good for India how?

  50. Martian says:

    @Firebrand
    With 10+ yrs of watching the politics of the Axis of Evil closely, I cannot see any fairytale thing happening in near future, though what u say sounds good.

  51. NK says:

    OK folks, looks like BJP has realized they chose the wrong channel for sting. Some excerpts from the Advani statement:

    “The cash-for-votes scandal has raised serious questions about the journalistic ethic followed by the TV news channel which recorded it. The right thing for the channel to have done is to show it and let the people draw their own conclusion. Indeed, at the meeting party leaders at the Speaker’s Chamber yesterday, several opposition leaders, including Shri Vijay Kumar Malhotra of the BJP, had demanded that the tape be shown to all MPs before the trust vote was taken. After listening to the account given by our three MPs, the BJP is left with no doubt that, had the channel broadcast the tape, the Government would have been in the dock before the trust vote was taken.

    Soon after our three MPs exposed the scandal inside the House, the TV channel had announced, at around 4.30 pm yesterday, that it had handed over the tape to the Speaker. We have now come to know that the tape had not been delivered to the Speaker’s office till 1.00 pm today. This raises great apprehensions in everyone’s mind about the possibility of doctoring of the tape.”

  52. Tathagata Mukherjee says:

    1. Time has come to start new Indian nationalist media. Its proved once again.

    2. Rajdeep has dug his journalistic grave – lost credibility.

    3. There are other tapes in the hands of Madhya Pradesh Police and others- SO DONOT WORRY.

    4. Fully agree with your post that media is playing partisan BUT IRRESPECTIVE OF THAT BJP/RSS IS TODAY WHERE THEY ARE TODAY.

  53. firebrand says:

    Martian, with the experience of having seen totally written off situations being salvaged by BJP, I can say that please have faith. The opposition to BJP will never be any less, its the people who will do the justice! I can say that there are wheels within wheels which grind together to bring down even the best of the dealers, moneyed men, intellectuals and gundas. I say this from actually having been at a critical vantage point during campaigns. Folks the battle has begun its our beliefs vs theirs, let us have faith and slug it out to take the cake. Till then keep walkin’

  54. arjun says:

    Good guys just have to work harder :-)

  55. Shanth says:

    Chanakya,

    Your comment #11 brings our Hindu mentality:Lack of Killer Instinct and aggression. I couldn’t agree with you more. We ought to develop it. At work and social life I always tell my team and people who I mentor to develop this attribute. We Hindus ought to fight and fight. This dharma yudh will not end until Vatican is disbands conversion as a political weapon and the media in INdia stops being dhimmy.

  56. firebrand says:

    Friends look at the difficulties Maharana Pratap had to endure (being a king he ate grass rotis), Shivaji had to constantly fight off the Mughals and Guru Gobind Singhji lost his 4 sons for a just cause. They were all men of calibre and never chose to take the easy way out. These great souls could have easily been big generals under Muslim rule but they deliberately chose penury, grief and hardship so that India might not end up as an ‘enlighted republic’ like the country to our west. Even their followers could have said that they were fools to not ‘adjust’ or use the same terror tactics! The result is that India has successfully check mated the spread of Islam to its eastward flanks. Heck we might not have been free people but for them. I am not comparing BJP to them but just saying that we have chosen the harder path so we must not whine but win.
    We will do it!! BJP/RSS karyakartas have put often put in lives for the party for no apparent gains, hint: Kerala unit of BJP. But believe me people what is apparent is not often what is important. ;-)

  57. Shanth says:

    Firebrand,

    I totally agree with your bro. We have to have the stamina to build our base and strengthen our roots and fight as long as it takes. And we shall do it.

  58. msr says:

    Guys,

    looks like lately Rediff is cosying up to BJP, recently they started publishing articles from people like Tarun Vijay, Sudheendra Kulkarni, Kanchan Gupta, Swapan das Gupta etc. during 07 Guj’ elecetions Sheela Bhatt was totally against BJP, now her writings are some what BJP supporting.

    and can any body tell me, is BJP going to start the new news channel, if that is the case then it will be a good fight to take on pseudo secs like Raheem Sardesai.

  59. jujung says:

    “Attha meedha kopam duttha meedha choopinatlu”
    This aptly describes your anger towards Sagarika Ghose.

    As for the tapes, when all the tehelka tapes regarding Gujarat didn’t mean anything to you guys, why will these be any different??

  60. Aryan says:

    jujung,

    “As for the tapes, when all the tehelka tapes regarding Gujarat didn’t mean anything to you guys, why will these be any different??”

    Because they were aired ! we all know what’s on tehelka tape, the IBN tape we’ll never find out, because the Italian Bahu’s & her mullah SP chamchas are too afraid to put it out.

    M.O.D. won the elections despite the tapes being aired, Congress will be driven out because the IBN tapes are not.

  61. sud says:

    Flame-bait too juicy to resist, Aryan? And pray, what did you hope to gain by ‘engaging’ it?

  62. Aryan says:

    sud,

    not everybody has your restraint, sir =) besides the effort is to discredit, not engage. Maybe am overcompensating, coming from a people that have been accused of not ‘engaging’ their adversaries enough.

  63. yossarin says:

    jujung – the emotions aside the facts of her conduct dont change, its on camera my dear friend :)

  64. Jiggs says:

    Guys….

    TOI has is it on the front page today, TAPES SENT TO THE SPEAKER.

    Chanakya…

    “the trust vote had to be done. Because it is a constitutional requirement. what can speaker do? can he debar amar singh or ahmed patel (both are not LS MPs). Can he prove the validity of tapes in 1 hour??? so what can he or BJP do??? So the BJP went with the decision.”

    Mate, I agree with you, however, yesterday I posted this on some other thread :

    ““Voting after scam ‘improper’”

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/Voting_after_scam_improper/rssarticleshow/3266790.cms

    I wanted Yossarin to actually have a look into these claims by the media.

    Look, the article clarifies that their is no rule for the speaker to have called of the vote, but on moral grounds he should have kept the option open by investigating the allegations overnight and have the vote next day.

  65. Ravindra says:

    Okay, there seem to be clear two views about the manner in which BJP went about the sting – one view is that they were dumb and have given away their possible gains – the other view is that they are too smart, and have put CNN-IBN on the backfoot, tainted the UPA victory and have taken a moral high ground. Which view is correct, we should hopefully come to know in the next few days.

    As regards the display of the bribe, i.e. the cash shown in the Parliament, there seems to be a sense of disgust in the media. A whole lot of commmentators in different TV channels as well as letters to editors in the newspapers seem to feel that the cash should not have been shown in the Parliament. I, for the life of me, have not been able to understand the logic of this. After all, if some MP wants to uncover the truth, why should Parliament mind? All these years, when rumours of horse-trading did the rounds, it was kept under-cover and swept under the carpet.

    So, if someone has withstood the temptation, it should be a proud day, rather than feel ashamed about it.

  66. A says:

    Why does’nt someone from the BJP simply put the said CD contents on youtube and other such sites.
    Why don’t they copy the CD and air drop it all over the country?

    Then Slurdesai and his wife can do what they want.
    Ranting against them is giving them too much importance.
    The net and other innovations has ensured that the Slurdesai’s of the world no longer have suzerainty over what we see.

    Lets use it?

  67. Lanka Ramakrishna says:

    The only way to deal with this mafia errr media is the way shown to us recently in Ahmedabad. Sant Asaram Bapu is sought to be mailgned for one full week by this vulgar self centred scoundrels. Enraged public gave them a sound trashing. WOW…these parasites almost started giving up the efforts. They are just maintaining a facade of pursuing the bogus cause by occasionally raking up fiction and spewing poison. But yes, it is quite possible that these morons might try to revive. But, the public knows the medicine for this madness.

    The lesson from the episode is simple. FEAR or FAVOUR only seem to work with these outrageous rascals.

  68. Jiggs says:

    Lanka …

    People in Gujarat are fed with the dhimmedia and they have decided to use the belt route to deal with em.

    I dont neccesary agree that always the media must be given the belt route, however, doses oat regular intervals might be good for the health of these psec journos :)

  69. Ravindra says:

    At least two channels ran a story about the “Best Speeches” in the Trust Vote discussions. And the usual suspects like the PM, RAhul Baba etc were figured. For the sake of balance, they also included LKA. And everyone seemed to be maha-impressed with the speech of Omar Abdullah.

    They even telecast the speech. I for one, thought he was needlessly screaming throughout the speech. None of his points made much sense, but just because he looked very distraught, the journos dubbed it as a “passionate” speech.

    Further, what does he mean by saying… “I am a Muslim ” and repeating this again and again. Can somebody get up in Parliament and repeat “I am a Hindu” and get kudos from these journos?

    In fact, there were far better speakers like Prabunath Singh who totally ripped apart Dr. Manmohan Singh, and was repeatedly shouted down by the likes of Bansal and Renuka Chowdhry.

  70. Ravindra says:

    All the channels are gloating over Pranab Mukherjee having pointed out flaws in LKA’s speech about Nehru being dead when the NPT came into force. I too was wondering how LKA could have made a faux pas in such an important speech.

    But yesterday, in one of the channels, Rudy clarified that actually the NPT discussions had begun way back in 1958 when Nehru was very much alive and kicking. And at that time, Nehru was staunchly against the NPT. Even though the Treaty may have come into force in 1970, Nehru’s views on the issue were clearly against.

    NOW, WHY O WHY IS BJP ALLOWING THE CONGRESS AND THE MSM TO GET AWAY WITH RIDICULING ADVANI ON THIS POINT, WHEN THERE IS CLEARLY AN EXPLANATION FOR THIS, LIKE RUDY GAVE YESTERDAY? WHY ARENT THEY COMING OUT WITH AN OFFICIAL STATEMENT RIDICULING PRANAB MUKHERJEE AND ASKING HIM TO BRUSH UP HIS HISTORY?

  71. Jiggs says:

    Ravindra…

    Exactly, NPT discussions started way back in the 50’s, that day when Bhadralok Pranab said it, I said to my self what a spin.

    Why BJP is goin on the defensive is really a mystery.

  72. Jiggs says:

    That fugging turn coat Omar’s Conscience HAS NOT FORGIVEN HIM for remaining with the NDA inspite of Gujrat…

    Well you no go son of b…h, where was your conscience when the Pandits were being hounded out from the valley…May be it was vacationing somewhere in Pakistan????

  73. SeaLion says:

    >>“Attha meedha kopam duttha meedha choopinatlu”
    This aptly describes your anger towards Sagarika Ghose<<

    Hey Jujung why not go and have some CHRISTU PISS. and your paedophile number of white cloaked fathers would be needing you. Pope would prefer Light skinned Raul Vinci

  74. SeaLion says:

    >>That fugging turn coat Omar’s Conscience HAS NOT FORGIVEN HIM for remaining with the NDA inspite of Gujrat<<

    Hey Omar and Farooq are Motilal Nehrus family, so same source. RANGEEN MIZAZI AUR AIYAASHI TO JANABOO KE GENES MEIN HAI.

  75. SeaLion says:

    HEY GUYS. PIONEER HAS FRONTPAGED THE PRESSTITUTE ASURDESAI AND THE BAR DANCER SAGARIKA GHOSE (FROM SONAGACHI). JUJUNG DID YOU ALSO HAVE ORGASMS SEEING SAGARIKA HAVING ORGASMS WITH SINGH IS KING;
    NOW 2 BIT CHAPRASIS ARE CALLED KINGS.
    HOWEVER, DO NOT WORRY JUJUNGS AND RoWS YOU CHRISTIAN WOULD SOON BE RELEASED FROM TORTURE OF EXISTENCE

  76. Lanka Ramakrishna says:

    Jiggs,

    BJP usually goes on the defensive possibly because they think that moderating their stand would over time win over the opponents or perhaps they get overwhelmed by the voluble noisy and numerically superior groups with no scruples and significant support base in the media.

    Experience showed that it would be only counter productive. Offense should be the name of the game, be it with media or psec gang. Narendra Bhai proved it abundantly well.

  77. prashant says:

    ALL WELL THAT ENDS WELL AND JULY 22 HAS EXPOSED THE FOLLOWING,

    1) SECULARISM
    2)TEFLON COATED HONEST MANMOHAN SINGH
    3)MAIN STREAM MEDIA
    4)SOMNATH CHATTERJEE as Biased Speaker.

  78. Jiggs says:

    SeaLion…

    Pipe down man…..

    I am on the Daily Pioneer site….what is the name of that front page article you mentioned?

  79. arjun says:

    The real gains from this will be achieved by a sustained campaign and BJP seems to have embarked on exactly that.

  80. Jiggs says:

    Yup..Arjun…

    This is much thought after strategy…Lets keep our faith in them…

    Here lookit…fellas…Brinda Karat got aroused by MMS stingin attack on the Left and Right:

    “Mind your language, Brinda tells PM”

    http://www.dailypioneer.com/indexn12.asp?main_variable=front%5Fpage&file_name=story8%2Etxt&counter_img=8

  81. Prasanna says:

    Ravindra

    Its pretty silly games that dhimmedia plays

    Left-Liberal Dhimmedia in India tries to shamelessely mimic their Amerikan counterparts by transposing the liberal discourse there without any relevance to our local context.You often witness the spectacle in Undie TV – likes of Barkha Dutt indulging in studio theatrics on matters like transgender rights/same sex marriage/homosexuality

    Obama is now the toast of the Amerikan left-liberal establishment courtesy the tearjerkers/sob stories that he delivers admittedely with great rhetorical flourish

    Dhimmedia counterparts in India wants to desperately invent a Desi version of Obama.Ideally Maya should have fitted the bill but their uppercaste/upperclass bias combined with Maya’s lack of sophistication/no phoren degree /damage potential to their favourite Congress party renders her a persona non granta to the Dhimmedia

    Rahul baba is their natural choice but sheer mediocrity and incompetence that he epitomises despite their desperate effort to prop him up makes things little difficult for Dhimmedia to go the complete distance in ‘Rahul as Indian Obama’ project.He badly floundered in Lok Sabha despite adopting the Obama template .But they have not given upon on him.The other Congress gennext gasbags cannot be given too much prominence as Rahul Baba will be dwarfed.Even otherwise they have no worthwhile achievements

    Hence the search has now led them to Omar Abdullah.Suave,sophisticated,phoren educated and ofcourse belonging to the community that is alleged to be discriminated by the evil Yindoos makes him a good bet.It also helps Dhimmedia to whitewash the state sponsored genocide perperated by Islamist in Kashmir.A tame apology by Omar is enough for Dhimmedia to paint him in glorious light

    Rahul Baba-Omar duo will now be modelled on Nehru-Abdullah

  82. arjun says:

    Seriously who gives a rat’s ass to Omar Abdullah.

  83. rone says:

    The issue is grave .I agree,But please tone down your language.We expect quality stuff from you

  84. Jiggs says:

    arjun/ravindra/prasana…

    What infuriates me about Omar is the way he played the Muslim card during his speech.

    More especially when he spoke about the SASB controversy…” tell me how many yatris have been attacked…..till the time you have muslims in J & K the yatra will continue”

    Yeah …you turncoat just attempt to stop it once, and just see how we Indians pound your ass….

  85. Jiggs says:

    Thanks SeaLION…

    This is an expose….thats that…I care a fig-leaf of what anyone thinks, SP-UPA played dirty that’s that.

  86. Jiggs says:

    Fellas..

    Here’s an example of what our JOURNOS can do:

    You guys must have read about the flare up in Ahmedabad over the two dead boys and the finger being pointed at an Hindu evangelist and at Modi of covering up the entire incident, here an expose on the media on this entire episode:

    “Asaram Bapu saved from media by Modi’s black magic”

    http://india.merinews.com/catFull.jsp?articleID=138096

    In the name of freedom of expression, these journos go about reporting all crap.

    I was horrified at the partisan media coverage during the Gujarat riots …Then the culprits were Burqa Dutt/Rajdeep Slurdesai (Then in Star News) and Prabhu Chawla (Aaj Tak), they literally used all dirty tricks to enchance their careers.
    Areas which were completely silent, no violence at all and people goin about their businesses, were reported by these punks as if it were a war zone.
    The patent line used by Prabhu Chawla was “GUJARAT TO UTTAR SE DAKSHIN KI AUR JAL RAHA HEIN”

    I have hated the media since then.

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  89. mihir says:

    Every dog has his day , Let the media enjoy their day !!….. They had been used to getting an egg on their face after Gujarat , Karnataka , etc etc .. So they are very exited. Interestingly NDTV’s coverage has been quite sober about the whole thing unlike CNN IBN. Wonder whats cooking

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