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Bal Thackeray’s remarks are reprehensible. There is no moral sanction for Terrorism by any tenet of Hindu Dharma. Those responsible for the Thane bomb blast must be brought to trial and any attempts by them to appropriate moral sanction under Hindu Dharma must be denounced unequivocally. There is no room or place for Terrorism by Hindus for Hindus with Hindu Dharma as moral cover.

Terrorism is Adharma let there be no ambiguity on this.

An Offstumped re-rerun from Flat Hindutva on why the rule of law must be respected as Dharma.

The first in the series of posts on Hindutva has generated quite a healthy debate. Teeing of that debate was the question of violence being justified in the name of Hindutva or for that matter any ideology.

As we?debate what Hindutva must come to mean it is important to establish a basic premise on the purpose of an ideology.

What role must ideology play ?

Ideology must play the role of a guide. A guide that you can turn to when presented with a situation to answer the moral questions of what is the “right” thing to do and what actions would be “wrong” in a given situation. In that sense ideology must play the role of a moral compass. With the help of a set of core principles that are both clear and unambiguous?such a moral compass must also provide a way by which the principles can be applied consistently across situations.

So?if Hindutva is an ideology that seeks inspiration from centuries of Hindu Thinking then?it must derive itself from Dharma for Dharma is the ultimate moral compass.

While Dharma is an all-encompassing notion of Justice for all aspects of human life, let us limit our interest in Dharma for the purpose of this discussion to Law Enforcement and the Rule of Law.

Some of the finest commentary on the nature of dharma is the Gita, it is little surprise that both Gandhi?and Golwalkar derived their sense of dharma from the notion of “desireless action” or “anaskata”.

Why is “desireless action” relevant here ?

Two reasons.

First reason?is in the role of the State in enforcing the laws. For the State to be seen to be discharging its Dharma it must enforce the laws impartially with no vested interest. In such desireless enforcement of the laws of the land lies the Dharma of the State. So a Government being run by a party that claims to be inspired by an ideology (Hindutva) based on centuries of Hindu thinking has to always enforce the laws of the hand impartially. Otherwise it will not just be guilty of not living up to its constitutional obligations it would also be guilty of not being true to that which it claims to be inspired by.

This is very important for it means two things. Firstly it means?that to adhere to Hindutva means to unambiguously and clearly adhere to enforcing the laws of the land at all times, impartially. Secondly it means that to adhere to Hindutva means no room for recourse or rationalization or justification for not enforcing the rule of law under any pretext.

The second reason why “desireless action” is relevant here is in respect for the rule of law. For any individual to be seen to be discharging his or her Dharma his or her actions must be desireless. Any action motivated by anger, conceit or deceit to violate the rule of law would not just be constitutionally illegal but would also amount to adharma. So if any individual or groups of individuals claim to be inspired by an ideology (Hindutva) based on centuries of Hindu thinking they have to be seen to be respecting and upholding the Rule of Law.

So to adhere to Hindutva means to unambiguously and clearly adhere to respecting and upholding the rule of law at all times with no room for recourse or rationalization or justification for violating the rule of law in the name of Hindutva. The exception however would be in fighting adharma when the rule of law enforced by the State is not “desireless” and is motivated?by an all-encompassing Adharma,?as was the case with the British rule and the freedom struggle.

So it must be unambiguous and clear that acts of violence such as the tearing down of the Babri Masjid, the murder and rape of innocents in Mob violence,?acts of vandalism?are not just illegal and unconstitutional but they also amount to adharma and hence cannot be morally sanctioned or justified by Hindutva.

It must also be unambiguous and clear that inaction by the State in responding to acts of Terrorism, reluctance of the State to enforce the rule of law against those who seek to threaten violence as in the Taslima Nasreen case and attempts to justify State sponsored violence as in Nandigram are also adharma.

As a corollary by standing for respect for the rule of law and enforcing the rule of law at all times, Hindutva would stand for protecting individual freedoms and hence would be liberal in its outlook. What then of restrictions on freedom of speech and incidents like Vadodara. Well those are subjects for the next post, however …..

Offstumped Bottomline: There is no escape from the moral certitude of Dharma and Adharma for adherents of Hindutva. Hindutva must come to unambiguously and clearly stand for enforcing the rule of law. Such a Hindutva would be serving National Interest as it would stand as a moral guard against our country becoming a Soft Nation. Hindutva must also come to unambiguosly and clearly stand for respecting and upholding the rule of law. Such a Hindutva would stand for protecting individual freedoms and hence is liberal in its outlook.

Filed under: Flat World Hindutva

24 Responses

  1. Jiggs says:

    Yossarin….

    The best way to answer such rants is keep quiet.

    He is senile and I doubt if those were his words.

  2. jujung says:

    Having spent much time drawing cartoons, he is becoming one.

  3. sud says:

    Unless shiv sena dissolves into the BJP in MH, there’s little hope for a concerted challenge to the INC-NCP combine in the state.

    And maha sends 48 MPs to the lok sabha…..juicy indeed.

  4. Murali says:

    Sud,

    haha, congress has enough problems in the state with vilasrao. Congress wants to go alone there. I think BJP-SS is fine there, these odd comments by thackeray keep coming man. Maharashtra it is best to wait and watch. Even in the last LS BJP-SS won 25 of the 48.

  5. arjun says:

    If the govt does not do much about countering terror owing to vote bank politics or incompetence, it is a matter of time Hindus will lose confidence in the govts ability to protect them. Under those conditions, some Hindus might try to take matter into their own hands.

  6. A says:

    guys — as a mumbaikar, i have to disagree with Jiggs/jujung

    BT is not senile — he has been advocating hindu terrorism from the very beginning. The origins of the SS are in anti-establishmentarianism. Hence when they came to power, they were unable to govern.

    The BJP has to ally with them since they have the hindu vote. This is, over the long term, undesirable, and gives the ELM a chance to lumpen the BJP with the SS.

    BJPs condemnation of BT is the right thing to do. IT must start inculcating an independent base in maharashtra. That will prove difficult since the marathi manoos has been heavily polarised by the SS into “marathi first, hindu later”

  7. Jiggs says:

    @A

    Well its your opinion….

    I have followed the man as I was a member of the party a decade ago.

    I dont think the current pieces coming out in the paper can be his, I doubt it seriously.

    BT has not been good health for a very long time ( may be the Cigars and wine are taking their toll now). This throws some more light on if he is actually penning the articles/editorials.

    I agree that SS has been an anti-establisment party from the onset. But, Indian Politics has been that way.

    What was written was gibberish and must be confined to the sewers, SUICIDE BOMBINGS ARE ACTS OF COWARDS, Hindus are tolerant but not COWARDS….

  8. proudindian says:

    if this is based on the editorial of the SS mouth piece, i don’t think BT is advocating full blown violence. It is an editorial written sarcastically and should be taken as a whole. If we try to pick up statements and read them without reference it will create wrong perceptions.

  9. Nitin says:

    Jiggs

    It is about accountability. I can’t care less who wrote the article…if it comes under his name, in his party mouthpiece, then he is responsible.

    If he’s not, he should disown it, or issue a correction.

    Be that as it may, it is very important to roundly condemn Mr Thackeray for this.

  10. SeaLion says:

    What is wrong with BTs call for Hindu Militancy. When the WHITE Italian KKKan Xtain mafia is commiting a genocide against Hindus, while terrorists like HuJI perperators of Jaipur carnage are allowed a safe passage, by inciting Gujjars, while Afzal Gurus are guests of honor of the traitors in South Block, when naxalite barbarians combine with SIMI,against Hindus. When the CIA controlled presstitutes, TIE WEARING, AMERIKKAAAAAN Hindi, Marathi speaking drunkard, White shitpot licking low born LUNATIC illbred dustbin trashes of human beings ,e.g NDTV,TOI, SAHARA,LIVEINDIA,IBN bark about a little firing done by Hindus in the acession date of Shivaji Maharaj while going silent on the attack on Hindus at Ganga Sagar, or CPM terrorism in Kannur and Nandigram, going silent on the SIMIs bomb toting women and children, while advocating LAW OF LAND for Hindus and human rights for terrorsits what are Hindus supposed to do. WAIT FOR EXTERMINATION IN “GANDHIAN” WAY (4 MILLION DEAD) THESE POL POTS, POPES-CRUSADERS,PIMPS TO SILENTLY WIPE THEM OFF, OR FIGHT FIRE WITH FIRE AKA SHIVAJI
    Why law of land should not be applied to likes of Foreigners and their insects and seculars(CIA pimps) bent upon Iraqisation of India.
    IT WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER HOWEVER IF SOME SECULAR GOONS HAD BEEN HIT HOWEVER

  11. Jiggs says:

    @Nitin…

    Agree….

  12. Martian says:

    Make no mistake about it. The one and only target of those Jihadis are Hindus of India. Then what’s wrong in BT statement. Our innocent civilians and defending Cops/Armymen are anyway dieing in the hands of Islamic fanatics.

    Israel has many such squads, though they don’t openly call it suciidal squads. BT could’ve used some other softer words.

  13. Ashish Jain says:

    I totally disagree with Yosarin on this, How long will hindus be victims of a state supported terrorism, When hindus are getting buchered daily the state looks other way, Time has come to pay back. I consider this event historic that some arjunas dared to pick up his gandiva.
    All Hindus should unite and stand in defence of them, they did not kill any one, it was just an act of defiance.

  14. Kaushik Ghosh says:

    Yossarin,

    I have to disagree with you on this. Rule of Law is fine when the parties engaged respect it. If Muslims and Christians have invaded and pillaged and raped our country why should you expect Hindus to keep quiet? We applaud the US intervention in Afghanistan and Iraq but was it rule of law? No because the Taliban and Saddam did not operate by the rule of law. I am in Delhi and everytime I pass Aurangzeb Road, I keep wondering why France does not name a road in Paris after Adolf Hitler.

    We need an iron fist in a velvet glove approach to terror. If the State is unable to provide for it, then someone will have to take the initiative – surely not armchair politicians like us!

    What did Krishna tell Arjun before the great battle? I think this applies here as well…….

  15. bhanu says:

    I agree with BT completely. Its time we Hindus stood up to the Islamic hatred and Christian missionary greed.

  16. Jiggs says:

    We must have reprisal raids at least. HUJI and LET must be given back in the same method.

    As I said earlier I woudn’t bother much about what BT said

    And look here this empty statement from BT has already evoked a JIHADI response:

    LeT threatens Thackeray for Hindu bombers comment
    M Saleem Pandit | TNN

    Srinagar: Hours after Shiv Sena supremo Bal Thackeray called for creating Hindu suicide squads to fight Islamic terrorism, the terrorist outfit Lashkar-e-Taiba on Thursday said any wrong done to Muslim community would get an “appropriate’’ response.
    LeT chief Qari Abdul Wahid Kashmiri called a local news agency to issue a statement. He also asked the international community and human rights organizations to take note of Thackeray’s observations in Sena mouthpiece Saamna.
    “Whether it is Indian forces or Hindu fundamentalists like Bajrang Dal and Shiv Sena, LeT will defeat their ill motives and prevent Muslim community members from Hindu fundamentalist terrorism,’’ the Laskar chief said. He said the silence maintained by the international community and human rights organizations is condemnable.
    He alleged that India and its intelligence agencies are hatching a “deep rooted conspiracy’’ against Muslim community.

  17. gujjuman says:

    LET is trying to play Shiv sena to Indian Muslim!! bloody ba**ards.

    Guyz,,, I completely agree with Yossarin, I dont agree with hindu bomb and terrorism stuff because our goal is to make India developed country and super power.

    It is more important to get BJP Government which can take nicely take care of it,, so effort and resources should be spent on getting BJP elected.

    My blood has started boiling since External affairs ministry released chinese incursion data.
    Read about chinese incursion into sikkim,,, and discussion on CNN IBN,, some Manoj joshi shamelessly batting for china,,,,

    Yossarin, you should guide us about what we can do on out part to get Dharmic government election.

  18. Jiggs says:

    @gujjuman….

    I think some members of the UPA have finally woken up to the fact that by accommodating the Left Traitors, they will be washed out completely by the people of India.

    If you see they have been making some POSITIVE statements offlate.

    I sincerely hope that these are not EMPTY statements and that they will back em up should the need arises.

    The Chinese question is now reaching the critical stage, the way things are going there might be a war with the Chinese bastards.

    I WANT THE COMMUNIST PARTIES TO BE BANNED AND RUTHLESSLY SUPPRESSED FOR HIGH TREASON. There must be no mercy.

    Look where they have brought the SECURITY of the country to.

  19. bhanu says:

    Jiggs I agree with what you once wrote have a Truth and Reconciliation Committee. All these Left traitors, Congress suckers , intelligentsia and the media should be tried for crimes against India.

  20. arvind says:

    The feeling of “aha” after reading the article was blown away as i read the comments.

    Being just a week old reader of this blog, i have discovered too much info.

    Someone had a reference to Gandhi in the comments with respect to how he let hindus perish and how similar things are happening.

    Today only, i read Godse’s courst plea when he was put on trial and i loved it. Having said that i now understand the situation better.

    I think Gandhi was right in criticizing Hindus when they were killing Muslims. People (Hinuds or Muslims) killing people (hindus or muslims) is wrong in any form.

    The fault that Gandhi had was that he didnt condemn the when muslims killed hindus. It was his biased attitude that made Godse take such a step.

    Coming back to present, killing people is never a solution. What BT has said is totally wrong.

    People should think constructive solutions. Let the consciousness rise.

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