Perhaps the untold success story of the BJP’s next-gen leadership is Vasundhara Raje. While she has had to take a bit of flak over the Gujjar-Meena politics of affirmative entitlement, very little has been said of her Governance. Bibek Debroy writing in the Indian Express in January earlier this year had this to about Police Reforms in Rajasthan
Disgusted with this Delhi dilemma, one should travel to more salubrious climes. One doesn?t have to travel far, Jaipur and Rajasthan will do. But one shouldn?t go there for usual tourist trips. Home Ministry?s active interest would have amounted to open heart surgery. Rajasthan shows what bypass can achieve
He then goes on to relate some little known facts
?Out of 450 global police stations, did you know that Jaipur?s Shipra Path was rated the best? (There is also Palakkad in Kerala with a high rating.) I will not even attempt to describe what you see in Vidhayakpuri police station in Jaipur. Take the trip or check out the website, especially sections on community involvement. Have you heard of police stations with ISO certification? There are 711 police stations in Rajasthan ? 42 already have ISO certificates and 164 are in the process of getting them. MIT and the Poverty Action Lab are working with Rajasthan police to improve public perception and performance.
Debroy closes his piece with this comment?
The BJP should win in Rajasthan only for this…And there will be endless debates about secularism vis-?-vis fundamentalism, forgetting that for poor, livelihood matters the most
(This presentation by the Rajasthan Police has more on this initiative)
For someone who has defied conventional wisdom on police reforms, this weeks serial blasts in Jaipur predictably must have posed a challenge but Vasundhara Raje did not disappoint showing that her Government was up to it.
In less than 48 hours after the blast, witnesses had been identified, the bicycle trail leading up to the blasts was charted out, sketches of the suspects put out with early corroboration.
The terror trail leading upto the cyber cafe in Ghaziabad may have turned cold, but Vasundhara Raje has demonstrated rare mettle in charting a course that seldom any elected Indian Politician has to date. She has taken an uncomprimising stand on illegal immigration with deportations for Bangladeshis without papers on the cards.
All of that while necessary may not be sufficient to deal with the Terror challenge thrown by the so called Indian Mujahideen and Guru Al-Hindi, that elusive alias under which its chief perpetrator operates.
This perhaps is where Vasundhara Raje shines in her moment of truth, when she rightly calls that Terror Challenge an acknowledgement of the War we find ourselves in while calling upon Sonia Gandhi to rise to the occasion with the “No Politics, Give us our Law” challenge.
Praveen Swami writing in the Hindu qutoes extensively from the poorly drafted e-mail sent by the Indian Mujahideen which almost reads like a manifesto. Coming from The Hindu, one has to forgive him for throwing in the usual political correctness in what was otherwise a very good piece.
While Swami talks about what was in the e-mail, it is what was not in the e-mail that caught Offstumped’s attention. The e-mail mentions Mumbai 7-11 it mentions other attacks, it criticizes the Deoband Non-Fatwa but it makes no mention of Malegaon, Mecca Masjid, Samjhauta Express, Ajmer Sharif all of which saw mostly Muslim victims. It offers a detailed Islamic rationalization for mass terror but it offers none at all for the almost exclusive targetting of Muslims.
It is this deliberate omission that makes the extensive rationalization offered in the e-mail rather disingenuous. Offstumped writing earlier in 2007 why muslim victims of mass terror had posed this question to speculate what agenda lies behind these attacks. Offstumped had then raised the spectre of this becoming the Hunt for the Unknown Radical Rd-X.
Vasundhara Raje in her reaction to the e-mail and the video from this radical bunch showed an instinctive distrust of their ostensible agenda. ?
While she may have expressed her distrust for different reasons she may be onto something here.? It is hard to imagine that even the most bigoted radical would be so carried away by indoctrination to believe that this is about “wiping out” the infidels from India as stated in the e-mail. In fact the odds of success for any such all out Jihad in this nation of close to 150 million Muslims are so slim and would end up with so much collateral damage on the Muslim Community that it makes no sense as a long term strategy.
So if this cannot be about waging all out Jihad in India, then what exactly is this about ?
One must look for clues in the e-mail to glean the real intention. It should strike as odd to that of all the Islamist icons and symbols referred to in that e-mail, there is only one contemporary symbol – Al-Zarqawi. There in lies a hint to what this is likely about.
A secular nation of? around 150 million Muslims?has its uses in Global Jihad beyond being merely reduced to a battleground of killing fields. Its demographic dividend has the potential to offer Messrs Bin Laden and Co. a dream supply chain?of radicals to sustain their war elsewhere. This supply chain has many inherent advantages to it, not the least of which is the availability of a large pool of educated professionals who can pass International borders without drawing the usual suspicions that a Pakistani or an Arab might.
Offstumped Bottomline: As Vasundhara Raje picks up the gauntlet to deliver justice to the over 60 odd victims of the Jaipur Blasts, she will have to rely on more than her instincts to understand the true nature and intentions of this anonymous enemy. If she can match the grit and determination she has demonstrated in the last few days with an effective strategy and actions, she could very well become the BJP’s most sellable Anti-Terrorism mascot with a universal appeal that goes beyond the party faithful.
Filed under: War on Terror
Excellent piece of work Yossarin. What I do not understand is that why our otherwise insomniac P.M is not losing sleep over the future of victims of terror attacks ? A shameless government with a shameless leader.
Vasundhara Raje, aagey bado. Hum tumhare saath hain.
Seems to me MP might be the weakest link in the BJP armor as the admin there doesn’t have quite the performance to show as the ones in Guj and Rajasthan.
As for the UPA record on terror, less said the better but it should keep getting said lest we forget! Here’s what I wrote in another context:
Consider what happened in the Afzal case. UPA sarkar lost credibility irretrievably in my eyes because of its disgraceful behavior in the Afzal case. SC convicted that turd and ordered him hanged. The SC, I tell you! Shouldn’t that be the end of story?
The inhuman rights activist crooks displayed their soiled hands in that case when they argued on TV (yup, Arundhati Roy among them) that Afzal was ‘wrongly’ convicted. I ask you!. SC had freakin’ convicted that toad! Shouldn’t that have been enough??
Further, insult to injury to all decent countrymen, the UPA sarkar went so far off the deep end that when the families of the jawans killed defending Parliament returned their medals etc, it remained unapologetic, even defiant. The dhimmedia pliantly buried that story. Remember? My blood still boils thinking about it. And come poll season, this same sarkar now rakes up Kandahar?!?!
Expel all Bangladeshis in a month: Raje govt
Folks, this is serious.
I mean there are serious ‘hyuman’ rights involved issues here.
I would strongly call for a show of force to PROTEST the move using flowers and BJP flags. Further, protests would also include a candle-light march where BD flags will be torched using the candle flame……
We would also call for the elusive ‘WORLD PEACE’ failing which we will express the morbid fear that illegal BDeshis will continue to be targeted for deportation across the country.
/Maybe the word ‘protest’ would draw the dhimmedia in actually turning up…..
/Kumbaya. Kool-Aid. Peace.
Guys…Look what the traitors with the CPI-Mafioso are saying:
Terrorist strikes: CPM lays blame on saffron surge
The Economic Times ,Political Bureau NEW DELHI
IT WAS the turn of cop-bashers, freelance peace hawks and Leftists to make on-the-spot visits to the terror-ravaged parts of Jaipur. They spent their energy to proclaim that the attack on Jaipur was part of an attempt to hurt the normalisation of India’s ties with Pakistan.
As expected, these sections asked the government to improve the situation through a soft approach. The delegations, which strongly opposed the demand for a tough anti-terror law, advised the police force to show restraint in investigations. “No special law is required for countering the problem. We need to remain alert,” D Raja of the CPI said.
The same crowd had organised grievance-mongering session when the police rounded up people from the blast sites of Mumbai and Malegaon. It be recalled that the pressure from these sections forced Sonia Gandhi to advise the state governments to factor in the sensitivities of the perpetually outraged.
In Delhi, the CPM blamed the political ascendancy of the saffron forces for the rise in terrorism. It cited a Lashkar-e-Taiba pamphlet, which said the political clout of the saffron forces was not in the interest of Muslims, as the chief cause of trouble.
Although, this is not quite sufficient to explain the spread of terror in other locales — US, Europe, Indonesia and Asian democracies — the Left has been harping on this theme for some time now. The Left has never allowed the fact that economic prosperity or democracy do not diminish the appeal for jehad to come in the way of its “saffron forces are the cause” argument. Nor is it ever distracted by the widely-acknowledgement that the jehadis are fighting to create a Caliphate —a divinely inspired government administered by a Caliph.
A pamphlet on the Jaipur terror attack from the CPM’s AKG Bhawan concentrated its attention on attacking its political rival. “We need to recollect once again what the information secretary of the Islamic fundamentalist organisation Lashkar-e-Taiba had said on the eve of 1999 elections. It said: ‘The BJP suits the LeT. Within a year it made us into a nuclear and missile power. We are getting good response because of the BJP. It is much better than before. We pray to God that they come to power again.’”
Man..I am fed up with these vermins, something has to be done of these traitors, lookit…how can one talk straight from the ass.
Also, I read somewhere that not only has Vasundhara Raje and her administration identified the terror trail, but also the INR 5 Lac compensation announced on the day of the blast is already dis bursed, this happened on May 15, 2008 THE VERY NEXT DAY OF THE BLAST….
I know for sure that in Mumbai people had to wait for atleast a year to get the promised compensation.
This is efficient governance.This is efficient governance
Sud…Isnt Arundhati Roy a Leftist sympathiser ???
Yossarin — you may want to note this article too on Raje’s governance — this time in the power sector.
She seems to be a lot like Modi — minimum government, maximum governance.
You may want to take up the question of what should the BJPs coherent poll plank be that brings together all the elements of governance they believe in?
You know, the tripod of strong law and order, strengthening the economy by removing the dead hand of central planning etc and fundamental “reforms for tomorrow” like healthcare and education?
Power to the people
Author: Rohit Parihar
Publication: India Today
Date: May 12, 2008
URL:
http://indiatoday.digitaltoday.in/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&issueid\
=52&id=7708&Itemid=1§ionid=21
Introduction: To push reforms, Raje cuts off power supply to 1,000
villages, a huge gamble with state elections looming. It works,
improving power supply and changing lives in rural Rajasthan.
Rajasthan Chief Minister Vasundhara Raje is a risk taker. She often
rushes in where her political counterparts fear to tread. Power, for
her, has a different meaning, and in this case, literally so.
Facing Assembly elections in November this year, Raje took the gutsy but
politically suicidal step of cutting off power to 1,000 villages in four
districts of Bharatpur division, an area from where she has a strong
support base.
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Just look at how angry NDTV is because Rajasthan govt is going to deport illegal Bangladeshi’s.
http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/videopod/default.aspx?id=29308
Jiggs,
Arudhati Roy is a Chrisitian. Her mother’s name is Mary Roy. She is from Kerala and her family is related to one of my colleagues. This lady definitely has an agenda against Hindus and Hinduism.
Arjun,
Look at how the AICC guy on the video is lying about the law for deportation saying that the onus is on us to prove that they are illegal. The court changed that and now in all states including assam, the onus is on them to prove that they are legal, or else they can leave. I am just waiting for next year, within 1 yr, 2009-2010, the NDA’s 1st plan on the table will be either deport or push them into the bay of bengal and seal the borders. But around 20-30% of these illegals are hindus, i am not sure what they are going to do abt them.
Sud,
Regarding BJP states, MP is definitely the weakest after the drama in this term (man, i hate this Uma Bharati, she is apain in the neck for BJP), but MP is almost completely under the sangh control, so they take care of some stuff. Himachal, Uttaranchal, Gujarat, Rajasthan, Bihar, Orissa, Punjab and Chattissgarh are well managed. I hope they will do the same in Karnataka. But if u look carefully, the army takes care of Kashmir, Punjab under BJP alliance, Guj and Rajasthan under BJP, the western borders are really fine, That is why we hear a lot about people thru bangla. Eastern side we are weak, AGP and BJP in assam are idiots not have gone for a pre poll alliance, if u looked at the results, one can easily say that AGP-BJP would have won in assam if they had gone for pre poll. Hopefully they wrest jharkhand again. Again everything comes to a full stop at west bengal. But what surprises me is that there are no incidents of terrorist attacks in west bengal.
NDTV is curse on nation, it is completely shameful. What is even more awkard is that Prakash javdekar is tolerating and rephrasing the issue rather than openly showing “middle finger” to NDTV. When will BJP learn to take strong stand and call spade a spade. If media is anti-national interest, we can atleast them that you guyz are anti-national. It will atleast put them in defensive, rather then making us defensive.
Yossarin your hypothesis regarding 21 blasts looks most logical to me.
We may be crediting the terrorists with more intelligence than they actually posses. Do not forget that they are brain washed & believe in only one ideology. Everything else is to be defeated. However, bigger groups like that of Osama’s may be only ones that have the kind of intelligence we think they do. The Bangladeshi & Pakistani terrorists are little more than fanatics. Analyzing them with all our intelligence may not give us clues into their minds.
Gujjuman,
When will BJP learn to take strong stand and call spade a spade. If media is anti-national interest, we can atleast them that you guyz are anti-national. It will atleast put them in defensive, rather then making us defensive.
Heck, if our temples could be free of government control, then a week’s collections at the Tirumala devasthanam alone would be sufficient to bankroll a dharmic & nationalist (redundant, really coz one implies the other) news channel in each of the top 10 Indian languages on national broadcast.
No wonder the psecs and pinkos are sh1t scared at the very thought of losing state control over temple boards (and hence temple funds) all over India.
Similarly, nobody talks about ‘equal rights for Hindus’ (except the BJP and the dhimmedia dutifully bury all such utterances) to run our own educational institutions and free ourselves of this Macaulyite indictrination of our future generations in convents and NCERT texts….
Yossarian,
Maybe you should take a lead in making this an issue. use your sangh or bhajpa contacts to get some statement, response or promise from them on thiese pressing matters, if you can!
Jai Bharat
sudboy,yossarian has stated that his blog is not aligned to any party or platform.
why do you expect him to have contacts in the sangh.
yossarian,like y2 has stated,the quality of the people on ur blog and their mode of replies reduces the quality of ur blog.
one has noted the frequent use of the word asslicker.
Well, maybe you should read the ‘if you can’ part in the post. If he can’t, fine.
And yes, for the record, my alleigience is to India. I will support anyone (the INC or even the CPM) who is nationalist and actually cares about the values, the traditions, the faith and the culture indigenious to this land. Maybe its too much to expect you to understand, hence I won’t.
BTW, no casteist bigotry this time? Oh, its partisan hackering and juvenile attempts at flamebaiting insults, I see. What else can one expect from a sorry bigot like you?
My last repsonse to your flamebaiting.
/Goodbye and goodluck.
sud,my allegiance is to india,i will support anyone(the INC or the CPM or even the BJP)who does not create enmity between two groups,who does not mix religion and politics,who is not addicted to double talk,who ensures that hindu society is made horizontal and not vertical,who does not practice politics of individual targeting and bashing.
samurai,
all these things u mentioned will only exist if the nation exists and INC or CPM are the people who dont care about security one bit, so question of them caring does not arise, the cpm was the same party which had allegiance to east pakistan, so supporting such a party directly violates allegiance to india.
In the discussion about illegal immigration, here are a few complexities:
Even the UN recognizes “fear of persecution” on the grounds of faith as a justifiable reason for requesting asylum from another country. However, the desire to better our own economic well being (which is universal) is NOT grounds for asylum. Knwoing that the % of Hindus in Pakistan and Bangladesh has decreased significantly since their independence and witht eh ground reality of their persecution over the last 4 decades, Hindu immigrants from Bangladesh fall in a different category. Thus, Govt of India can differentiate between Hindu & non-Hindu immigrants from Bangladesh. Whether it chooses to or not is a different story.
Secondly, even if Rajasthan (& other states) identify illegal immegrants, it is a whole different mattter to get them back in to Bangladesh. First, immigration being a nationa (not state) subject, the central govt has to get them out of India. The UPA government NEVER will. Thus, Rajastahn Govt cannot just load them up in a train and drop them off at the border between India & Bangladesh.
Secondly, Balgladesh WILL refuse to take them back saying India has to prove that they are Bangladeshi citizens.
Illegal immegrant’s inability to prove that they are citizens of India qualifies them for being deported. However, deporting them to WHERE is for Indian government to figure out. As unfortunate as it is, these folks obviously do not come to India AND keep their Bangladeshi birth certificate, passport etc. in their backpocket. Thus, proving that they are Bangladeshi citizens (to force Bangladesh to accept them) is another matter. Only tough talk, threat of economic sanctions etc. may (if at all) ever persuade the Bangladesh government. However, NO Indian government has taken a result oriented approach to this yet.
Harassing the illegals to get them to come up with the proof og their Bangladeshi citizenship will only mean more negative international PR.
The only viable option I see is to build massive camps on the border with Bangladesh in which to move all the illegal immigrants and to provide them with barely minimal sustenance (below the level they will get in their own country (Bangladesh) to the point where their REASON to migrate to India disappears and hence they cross the border back to Bangladesh on their own. Even this is easier said than done.
While doing this, India needs to also completely seal the border w/ bangladesh as we have been trying to do in Kashmir. By the way, it was during LK Advani’s regime as Home Minister that the fencing of Indian borders truly got started. In the long run, the money spent on border sealing is peanuts compared to the over costs (economic & otherwise) of tolerating such immegration.
I am no expert in these matters and hope that there are more viable options and even more importantly, DESIRE on part of the future central government (NDA) to do something about this.
murali,what is preventing you or the bjp from seeking a ban on the cpm if u sincerely believe what u r saying.
it would seem that even among nationalists,there exists a caste system.
the super super nationalist-he knows more than the others about how to secure the country.
the super nationalist who is somehow genetically programmed to act against his own country.
the plain nationalist who owes allegiance to another country,foolishly forgetting that he is living in india.
the best way out of the perils of this caste system is to ban the congress and the cpm.
it is good to know that murali and friends know the way to maintain security.
we thank god for that.
Guys….The Secularists are crying crocodile tears, coz the people of India want the ilegal migrants ( Bangladeshis) out.
Bring the BJP back and SAVE India and Hinduism….
Vande mataram!
hey samurai…I am blowing the whistle…FULL TIME..Now go to some other forum and rant over there…
We need the Israeli advisors in our country. The one thing we must learn is the art of REPRISAL raids, just imagine a crack army unit going into B”desh and blowing up one of the terror camps or the IAF sending a squadron and blowing up a pure military target in B’desh….
That should have their government to think twice before allowing terrorist infrastructure on their lands….
The scary truth about Bangladeshi illegal migration in India
http://youtube.com/watch?v=jV6z59RMGas
http://youtube.com/watch?v=SKG_HCs6rfk
http://youtube.com/watch?v=WbKBSLy3WRE
http://youtube.com/watch?v=EZJaZyUr3Lc
http://youtube.com/watch?v=HKAXSyFnOeY
http://youtube.com/watch?v=TNOw8cNXI9o
http://youtube.com/watch?v=bpm6kzOYmCE
Here’s a good post on how Signora Maino is opposed to India being a super power:
http://scumcommunists.sulekha.com/blog/post/2006/12/antonia-maino-is-embararassed-by-india-s-new-prosperity.htm
Muslims silent as Pandits fled: Omar Abdullah
SRINAGAR: National Conference president Omar Abdullah has accused Muslims of being mute spectators at the time of exodus of Kashmiri Pandits from the Valley in the 1990s.
“It’s so easy to say that we will lay down our lives to bring Kashmiri Pandits back to the Valley and I appreciate the sentiment as I am sure the Kashmiri Pandits reading it will. Pity that sentiment was missing when our mosques were being used to drive these people out,” Omar said in his blog on the official website of his party.
“None of us was willing to stand up and be counted when it mattered. None of us grabbed the mikes (microphones) in the mosques and said ‘this is wrong and the Kashmiri Pandits had every right to continue living in the Valley,” he said.
“Our educated, well-to-do relatives and neighbours were spewing venom 24 hours a day and we were mute spectators either mute in agreement or mute in abject fear but mute none the less.
“And talking about mosques — what a great symbol of mass uprising they proved to be. While I can’t claim to have lived through it I have enough friends who did and they tell me about the early 90’s where attendance was taken in mosques to force people to pray,” Omar wrote.
Questioning the spontaneity of processions taken out in 1990, Omar said people were forced out of their homes to participate in “mass uprisings” against “Indian occupation” and the same enforcement committees went from door to door.
Jaipur to Raipur
http://www.dailypioneer.com/columnist1.asp?main_variable=Columnist&file_name=mitra%2Fmitra307%2Etxt&writer=mitra
By Chandan Mitra
jiggs,i dont want to spoil ur party,
try to throw in a few rambo movie clips while ure at it,the eq will be better.
have a good time.
samurai,
your immature statement only proves that u support illegal immigration
Dhananjay,
The center does not have all the say in this matter. If the Rajasthan government hands them to IMDT and seek a track and prove they are illegal, they have to leave. I know a guy who works with IMDT and he confirmed this. The only thing is the center will not start the process of identifying them, if the rajasthan government if ready to do that IMDT will welcome that. Moreover he also mentioned that, most of the figures in the media are generally very exaggerated. He said, 80-90% of these illegals stay in WB and Assam. And among them 50% are temporary, meaning they move back and forth and have intention of staying here except the hindus who dont want to go back (for obvious reasons). But here is the crux, it is in India’s best interest to seal the border off permanently. I hope they will once NDA gets back to office. This should be and will be their no. 1 agenda in terms of security. They should be sealing and deporting side by side and complete this full exercise in 2-3 years, so that this matter is once and for all solved, just like we sealed our western borders.
hey superheroes and supernationalists,
i admire your zest and quest,
there are a some of us indians also who think that the bjp is at the root of everything that is wrong in our country.
the some of us indians have noted that words like ass licker are commonly used by the visitors out here,
it is ur party,kids.
have a mega blast,
i cannot resist checking in once in a while to share in the fun.
see you soon.
so far in this entire post, samurai ur the only one who has used that derogatory word.
I see a lot of emotions involved here in the discussions rather than patience and rationality. In one of the previous post, I mentioned that criticism must be differentiated from hate speech. The use of substandard words by the users of the blog/forum certainly reduces it’s intellectual eliteness and makes it another rag-tag type of blog. If you really want to be noticed, if you really want to be heard and counted, personal slandering has to stop.
Use of abusive language against any person will not yield much results. It only shows that that person has no more intellect to debate/argue intelligently, logically, rationally and so has used up the final words in his/her vocabulary. Rather than attacking the persons with abusive language, if logic is used to counter that particular “School of thought”, for example, outdated leftist ideology(rather than the individual) it will have effect on all the people who toe that particular school of thought. Defeating that school of thought yields better results than trying to defeat just one or two people.
In one of my previous discussions (I think with Jiggs!, is it with you buddy??) I used bad word/s like “ass” to describe BJP CM candidate in K’taka. Well, I feel bad not to have controlled my anger and I apologize for that. But my hatred for corruption, bigorty hasn’t become any less.
In another forum I have come across people randomly abusing IndianExpress just because they are against the actions of Sangh Parivar. But what they haven’t noticed is that whereever policies are being thoroughly implemented, which ever party is doing to improve the institutions of democracy IE has written about them. They are good only when they talk good about you and bad when they make a negative comment about your ideology- this is immaturity. Use of abusive words, lack of maturity to accept criticism (if it is constructive take it if not trash it, but don’t react and show immaturity) and that kind of attitude only helps in making more opponents, enemies than through actions. Making more opponents is unnecessary, thatz my personal opinion.
Another less published news, probably less read too is that Rajasthan govt is one of the few state govts to have better implemented the National Rural Employment Guarantee scheme (NREGA). If I remember correctly, I did read this in Indian Express but never thought I would need to keep it so that I could reproduce here. IE also published corruption in NREGA in WestBengal. Recently a BDO was killed by CPI mafia (probably with help from Trinamool too) because he exposed corruption in NREGA. IE routinely writes about corruption in NREGA in MP too. Criticism helps in plugging the loopholes, but it requires an attitude to accept it.
There has been some mention of using IAF to bomb B’desh too!!!. Do people realize the consequences of such actions?? The situation in B’desh doesn’t yet warrant such an action, why use a stick when you can get it done by words. India has tremendous respect in East Asia as those countries fear China and they want India as counter weight and all these because of India’s responsible behaviour, if we starting behaving irresponsibly then you are giving free publicity for our enemies’ cause. They will use it to show that India is irresponsible and dangerous. Is that the kind of publicity you like??B’desh can be disciplined in other ways too, it just needs a strong central govt and consistent policy. Jiggs, Isreal can do anything and get away with it, because US is always there to support and defend and Israel is US’s satellite, can India become such a satellite state ?? Removing corrupt BSF officers, police top brass in WB will solve half the problem of illegal immigration. In 2006 or 2007 outlookindia had published how easy it is to get RDX in WB and how it passes through BSF (lower rung and higher rung officials) at the border and how local politicians are involved in it.
Yossarin may be you will have to take some additional responsibility of moderating comments once in a while.
I was recently in Rajasthan – the usual long, distance wise, tourist trip, and most seem to appreciate what Smt. Vasudhara Raje is doing. Our van driver and his buddy was very impressed with her. Of course, Rajasthan itself is a wonderful country with more history than Dilli. Enjoyed it immensely.
decrati
i agree with you on indian express, i can vouch that they are a non-aligned publication. They write good/bad things about all parties and they dont sensationalize some trivial issues like cnn-ibn or any of these 24 hr media channels do.
decratl,
“I see a lot of emotions involved here in the discussions rather than patience and rationality”
There is blood on the streets, and these are our people, we’ve been ‘patient’ for a few millenia now, difficult to be ‘rational’ with the fanatic jihadis. we need to be emotional, drop the ‘chalta hai’ culture, and hit back. telling India to be patient and rational, is like preaching to the choir.
“In one of the previous post, I mentioned that criticism must be differentiated from hate speech.”
I agree, but this is where the problem is, all the pseudo-secular hindu haters, when they do talk about right wing politics in India, they masquerade it as “constructive criticism’, so you cant blame the right wingers to take the ‘criticism’ of ‘well meaning seculars’ with a grain of salt.
“Defeating that school of thought yields better results than trying to defeat just one or two people.”
true, yet look at how the leftists seculars deal with our leaders, Advani, Modi to name a few. It is classic character asassination, besides maligning the movement, so why should we play ‘fair’ ?
with pure hindu haters like pamela philipose as one of it’s writers, one has to again evaluate the ‘fairness’ of IE with some doubt. maybe if mr shourie took over =)
“There has been some mention of using IAF to bomb B’desh too!!!. Do people realize the consequences of such actions?? The situation in B’desh doesn’t yet warrant such an action, why use a stick when you can get it done by word”
what exactly have we accomplished in bangladesh with words ? they’re still flooding our country with jihadis, they are still running terrorist camps, still persecuting hindus. Banglas need to be bombed, the terror camps atleast, these people only understand the language of power and realpolitik.
“India has tremendous respect in East Asia as those countries fear China and they want India as counter weight and all these because of India’s responsible behaviour,”
what has our ‘responsible’ behavior accomplished ? we’re still out of asean, even the malaysians dont feel the need to respect us while persecuting hindus. Like machievelli said and the chinese are practising, it is better to be feared, then loved anyday.
“Isreal can do anything and get away with it, because US is always there to support and defend and Israel is US’s satellite, can India become such a satellite state ??”
India is a powerful country in its own right, we dont need to be anybody’s satellite to do what we want, bomb who we want. Who besides the americans and the chinese, can dare stand against us, please tell me.
“Removing corrupt BSF officers, police top brass in WB will solve half the problem of illegal immigration.’
Blaming the BSF for the sins of the jihadi-loving congressis and commies is a bit extreme, The soldiers of this nation have been fighting a two front war, one with our external enemies the other with the internal jihadi-lovers, so please some respect would be nice, and place the blame where it belongs.
You’re right criticism has to be differentiated from hate speech, but that can be a very subjective matter.
@samurai…
“there are a some of us indians also who think that the bjp is at the root of everything that is wrong in our country.”
Yeah sure I agree with your once, THAT THANKFULLY IT IS ONLY SOME OF YOU WHO THINK THE WAY YOU THINK…
Now I AM SHOWING YOU THE RED CARD…YOU ARE OUT…
Tarun Vijay in Times of India
Tenants rule, owners are absent
THE RIGHT VIEW
Tenants rule, owners are absent
15 May 2008, 1245 hrs IST,Tarun Vijay
Dr Do Little issued a strong statement condemning the dastardly act and Mr. Do Nothings shook the media headlines before leaving for their summer vacation. That’s how the Jaipur blasts have been dealt with. Like any other blast, like any other calamity inflicted by Osama bin Laden’s bravehearts who choose their targets in the thick of night or from among the innocent populace going to temples or markets. This is the level of courage they show in the name of their faith.
The basic malady however remains unattended. Surrounded by failed states and finding it compelling to be soft on terror-shelters in return for votes, a bleeding India tries to see some hope in Gurgaon-Bangalore (IT, call centre) progress barometers which clouds the basic point – is the state willing to take on terrorism full steam.
The half-hearted, fifty-fifty, salt and sweet policy to deal with terror gives us more Afzals and Jaipurs as attacks on Jammu, Akshardham, Varanasi and Parliament continue. A wet paper state is worse than being a soft one which refuses to see issues of infiltration, jihad , Maoism, and growing separatism as part of one big assault against the Indian state and her geographical entity, mind and spirit.
Nations are run by owners, not tenants. The maliks are those who face storms and sacrifice their lives for ‘their’ motherland without ever dreaming of a return gift. The children of Mother India, the real ones, consider themselves to be infused with the power and sense of belonging to every inch of our holy land, regard the land as a goddess personified, a living entity and not just a conglomeration of rivers, jungles, peoples and buildings. Then the land, India runs in our veins – we live her, adore her, devote ourselves for her service, the chant Vande Mataram is no longer a meaningless word but creates an aura of patriotism around our actions and thoughts. Every bit of her history and culture and people is reflected in the behaviour and actions of Mother India’s children. Like an owner. Then the people are not just voters, they are your own kith and kin and any one anywhere who attacks them or hurts them automatically becomes your sworn enemy too. One doesn’t have to ask ‘whom do you belong to’ either of the security personnel who sacrificed their lives to save Parliament or of some of the unworthy insiders or the Afzals and their co-conspirators. The choice would be obvious.
But that’s expected of owners.
Today we have just tenants who use the motherland as a piece of real estate for their personal ends. Tenants consider themselves as beneficiaries. If the rotten system helps them stay longer, they are not bothered to change it. They don’t fight the mischievous neighbour trespassing or breaking a boundary wall. At the most a tenant would report it to the owner – look this is happening to your land – take care if you wish to do so. Only owners would have a commitment and strength to safeguard it, change and improve the system and take hard, unpopular decisions. Tenants can have “statement governance” that smiles when slapped and laughs when hit hard for an award or appreciation from New York, or London. Awards for peace and tolerance.
The warriors of 1857 were owners. The revolutionaries and freedom fighters, the Kargil victors and martyrs were too, the inheritors and the children of Mother India.
How can they, who loot national wealth to keep it in foreign banks, shut their eyes to territorial erosion and constitutional corrosion while continuing with election campaigning for the next round of ‘money harvesting’, call themselves children of Mother India and hence legitimate owners of this land? Anyone, any faith or caste or creed or belief or an atheist can be an inheritor of this blessed ownership if he does something in his life for the good of society without eyeing a free bungalow in Lutyen’s Delhi. But not those for whom serving the nation is a rude synonym for serving their own interests.
Scrapping POTA, silence on infiltration, half-hearted responses to continuing terrorism, committees to influence media and the judiciary to free the lecturer involved in the Parliament attack, a colonial attitude on civilisational matters, hate for Sanskrit and anything that relates with the quintessential characteristics of the land called India only indicates an alienated mindset controlling the polity.
Hence M F Husain must be honoured for painting nudes of goddesses but Danish cartoons should be banned and condemned. Reservations for non-Hindus must be announced from rooftops and Hindu icons can be called mythical, unproven, mere stories and fit for demolition while Hindu refuges are condemned to oblivion and de-listed from security conclaves. Can you believe that the largest Hindu organisations in the world like the RSS or their ideological brothers in Vishwa Hindu Parishad have never been officially invited to the President’s banquets and Republic Day celebrations at homes and dinners? But those who have a history of working against India’s soul and territorial integrity have always been on the list of invitees since Viceregal times. This Siberian-Gulag mindset of the rulers smacks of an alienated sense of perverted history and a vengeful attitude. Not an Indian lineage surely.
Still we say, we are a democracy and we are progressing well.
If wealth and the infrastructure were the only criteria for a nation’s growth and happiness index, why did we drive the British out? They were ruling through Indians, creating ICS-es and Raibahadurs and Sergeants and head clerks from our midst. They were benefiting Indians too while depositing their share of loot loyally in British coffers, including our books, ancient manuscripts and the Kohinoor. What was wrong in that if the present loot and Swiss accounts of politicians coupled with tolerance for terrorists is accepted for the sake of secularism?
Patriotic jawans would like to wipe out the scourge of terrorism. They are denied permission. Even if government policies result in frustration and incidents of suicide among the forces come to the fore, the Supreme Court would like the terrorist, who waged war on India, to be hanged till death. But governors, the tenants, would like him to be pardoned. A doctor who saved hundreds of lives was shown the door by a legislation exclusively targeting him introduced by those who considered yielding to a rogue ally more important than saving the honour of a great citizen. When the Supreme Court tears off a bad law, the minister and Prime Minister stare blankly as if nothing has happened.
It shows a disconnect between the soul of the nation and her body. The muscles remain paralysed.
A failure of nerves, making muscles numbed.
In medical terms it is known as myasthenia gravis (MG), an auto-immune disease that affects the transmission of signals from nerves to muscles, described thus: “The symptoms are troubling, yet subtle. You might notice, for example, occasional double vision, drooping eyelids, or the occasional difficulty to chew or swallow food. You may become hoarse or talk through your nose. It may be hard to smile, and people may tell you that you look depressed, even though you feel fine.”
The same way the signals from the nerve centre of the state and power to the muscles of the armed forces is missing. See the latest annual report of the Ministry of Home Affairs. It is silent on how many terrorists and their accomplices have been convicted or the number of illegal Bangladeshi infiltrators deported. It shows that terrorism and murders outnumber such incidents in Jammu and Kashmir. Where is the reaction to this?
It is time to throw off the shackles of a colonial mindset and face the cowards squarely.
The author is the Director, Dr Syamaprasad Mookerjee Research Foundation.
Deratl…Mate yup…that was me you had that conversation in which you used the word as…But what difference does that make…have you read Maximum City by Suketu Mehta, he has written a couple of pages on the explicits used by us desi’s …read it pal…you wont feel that bad…
It was also me who said that India must ask for Israeli advisors and that B”desh must be bombed….
Re. Israelis: I dunno if you guys know about this but the Israelis during the NDA govt. had submiited a report to our govt. on Counter Terror efforts…the main suggestion was that the surplus land on our border owned by the govt. must be inhibited by ex soldiers, why the soldiers get a reward for the services rendered and the country gets a front line defence in event of an attack….
I faintly remember some tit bit about this in the MSM, the proposal was shot down as the NDA lost in 2004. By Israelis I meant this…Help the intelligence agencies in India on the lines of SHIN BET ….Nothing else…..Reprisal raids….No body will stop us….so USA supporting Israel is all hog wash….
BOMBING B’desh
Again during NDA regime if you remember the skirmishes between BSF and the Bdesh Rifles in which one our dead jawans was held like an animal and was photographed.and the subsequent hullaboo in the media etc. Do you know why did the B’deshi Rifles attacked India then???? THEY WERE OBJECTING ON A HIGH WAY PROJECT BEING BUILT IN INDIA…..That time ABV ordered the Army to move and the B’deshi started wetting their pants….
What I meant was that their are anti India jihadi elements in B’desh is un questionable…so bomb these faggots, what will the world do..rant, threaten, what will happen???
Nothing pal….UN and all is a load of crap..meant for sissies….INDIA has been a cheerleader of these sissies…INDIA MUST GET OUT…EYE FOR AN EYE…PAL…
Hands tied in terror fight: PM calls for new federal agency, CJI for tough laws
http://www.indianexpress.com/sunday/story/311168.html
CJI calling for tougher laws should is a ’slap’ in the face of the Sekularishts. It’s unfortunate that the PM does not see the need for it; like Dhrutarashtra he is Blind indeed.
Dear Mr. Aryan:
You, are saying you can’t be rational and patient when blood is spilled on the streets due to Jihadis. But how come RSS/BJP didn’t have problem partnering JD(S) in K’taka some of whose MLAs/MLCs had links with Naxalites. Naxalites are killing policemen like rats and nobody is doing nothing. You talk as if RSS/BJP doesn’t have problem when naxalites kill or blow up people. Doesn’t your blood boil? Don’t think that you are the only one whose blood boils at incidents like Jaipur, even mine is boiling and craving to make a kill. But being rational and patient not necessarily means “chalta hai” attitude, you are making assumptions. If that is the way you think, then, all I can say is I can’t help you think. By behaving impatiently and irrationally that too in blog, u will achieve nothing, absolutely nothing. Whatever I said is with reference to the behaviour in the blog.
The purpose of constructive criticism is to help improve and why would pseudo seculars ever want to help you/Sangh Parivar even remotely ? They will never ever resort to constructive criticism. That is why I said learn to differentiate between constructive criticism and hate speech.
I never talked about fair play. Defeating “school of thought” not necessarily means fair play. I don’t know how you concluded that I meant fair play. May be again you are impatient. It’s a fight between two ideologies, they are trying to win and you are also trying to win. If I were to be a decision maker in the sangh parivar I would certainly target something that has max impact.
Fairness of IE doesn’t mean they give all their space for the purpose of Sangh Parivar. If they are giving space for people like Pamela Philipose then they are also giving space to Mr. Shourie. Sangh parivar doesn’t own IE so as to give all their space to Sangh parivar.
“…what has our ‘responsible’ behavior accomplished ?…”
You are confusing yourself here. If we haven’t accompolished anything, it is not because we behaved responsibly, it is because our foreign policy was/has been pusllianimous (after Indira Gandhi), Pak is still an unfinished business and the present attitude of B’desh is a by product of that. There is hardly any consistency or long term vision in our foreign policy with respect to our neighbors, especially Pak and B’desh.
I don’t know why you are obsessed with Malaysian Hindus. our own Hindus are dying in scores in the country because of lack of basic health care systems (BJP/RSS is not worried abt the recent $500+ million fraud in the country) and not a word on that but just because there are some Hindus in Malaysia, you are so worried abt them. Atleast helping Nepal Hindus and Tibetans (who fought for us in 71) will be more productive.
As for ASEAN, the fact that there has been a talk and work towards expanding the present ASEAN+3 arrangement to ASEAN+6 to accomodate India should tell something to you. You are talking as if Malaysia represents the whole of East or SouthEast Asia.There are other countries too other than Malaysia.
True, India a powerful country in it’s own right, but all this is relative to countries like Pakistan. We still don’t have our own technology/capacity to manufacture as basic a requirement as shells for big guns like bofors. It is the collaboration with Israel that is helping us to set up a manufacturing unit in Bihar to manufacture exclusively shells for big guns. We don’t have an indigenous aircraft, our LCA still runs on American GE engines. If the armed forces of a country are depending on imports from other countries and when considerable strength of the army is used to maintain internal law and order, we are still a second grade military power. one of the features of a great power/super power is that military technology wise the country’s armed forces are self reliant and self sufficient and that they have enough strength/manpower to deploy forces outside the country to defend the country’s external interests. When more than 50% of our armed forces are used up for internal peace and when nearly 60-70% of the material is imported, which military poweress are you talking about?? It took us 50+ years to come up with INSAS rifles, any thoughts why it takes us this long even to manufacture the basic things?? By coincidence Pak, B’desh are worse than us and continue to remain so for the foreseeable future.
Please don’t forget Russian support, if Russia also stands opposed to Indian interests, we will have a tough time.
BSF has become no less rotten than the police dept of the country. What do u think is the side business of our home minister and his team? Entertaining the corrupt in the police, BSF etc making money out of transfers in the police dept, BSF etc. Atleast during NDA such corruption hadn’t seeped into BSF this badly, but with UPA’s rule, it is stinking of corruption and the net result is that the lower rungs in BSF are taking the hit. You can buy many BSF officers for peanuts. Just disguise yourself as a B’deshi immigrant and take a stroll on the WB border you will get first hand experience. Thatz why I said, take care of that in WB and half the problem of illegal immigration is solved. The presence of corrupt BSF officers takes a heavy toll on the country’s national security.
Misguided machismo will only help satisfy the bloated egos of a select few, it will hardly help achieve substantially on the ground.
Jiggs, thanx for that info on Israel and clarification.
But as for using force on B’desh, I disagree with you. I’d prefer that strategy on Pak. I’d prefer even more aggressive tactics against Pak. The reason being, B’desh hasn’t become a country like Pak, completely inimical to Indian interests and that too openly. We still have working relations with B’desh and it’s military. We should also take care not to give chance for these two to come together, kind of divide and rule policy. B’desh can still be tackled with RAW alone, we don’t need to use armed forces.
MMS is asking for a federal force to distract attention for a law like POTA.
@ARJUN…TRUE PAL…TRUE..THE U.P.A HAS MASTERED THE ART OF DIVERSION…THIS SHOWS HOW MUCH CONTEMPT THEY HAVE FOR THE PEOPLE OF INDIA….
Weekly had warned of threat to Jaipur
18 May 2008, 0013 hrs IST,TNN
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Weekly_had_warned_of_threat_to_Jaipur/articleshow/3050202.cms
Now this is serious stuff, if the Nagpur based weekly is right, then Jaipur Police has to answer a lot many questions???
Poser to this weekly paper: If you knew of these things why din’t you inform newspapers like Indian Express or TOI as they would definetly print such news and the Police forces would be forced to act.
khanduri in uttarakhand is another bjp cm doing good work. Madhyapradesh seems a lost cause though, dont be surprised if cong comes back there.
ot…
All BJP governments are superb ones….Including the allies…Nitish Kumar…They are doing a fantastic job….
MP is hub for the RSS, the going will be tough but BJP will prevail..
decratl,
“You, are saying you can’t be rational and patient when blood is spilled on the streets due to Jihadis”
read my words again, I said you cant be rational with the jihadis and that India is a super-patient civilization. Asking Indians (who are super-rational and super-patient) to be patient and rational is a bit disingenuous.
“Fairness of IE doesn’t mean they give all their space for the purpose of Sangh Parivar.”
But giving space to certified hindu haters like pamela philipose does not help it’s ‘fairness’ ratings.
“India has tremendous respect in East Asia as those countries fear China and they want India as counter weight and all these because of India’s responsible behaviour,”
You are confusing yourself here. If we haven’t accompolished anything, it is not because we behaved responsibly, it is because our foreign policy was/has been pusllianimous (after Indira Gandhi)”
It’s nice to be good with words, but it’s difficult when one gets caught saying contradictory things, just to make a point. First you said India is greatly respected because of responsible behavior, then you say India has not accomplished anything because our foreign policy is pusillanimous. you seem to be the one that is deluding yourself for the sake of making an argument.
“I don’t know why you are obsessed with Malaysian Hindus”
Shouldnt hindus being persecuted matter to the india ? Isnt India the last bastion of the hindu civilization ? Just because things are not perfect in India, we should stop worrying about hindus outside India. It’s not a zero sum game, you can change things in India while caring about hindus outside India. I’m not a hindu hater, or a self hating hindu, so I care about hindus being persecuted anywhere.
“BJP/RSS is not worried abt the recent $500+ million fraud in the country)
Not aware of BJP/RSS involved in a $500 million fraud.
“As for ASEAN, the fact that there has been a talk and work towards expanding the present ASEAN+3 arrangement to ASEAN+6 to accomodate India should tell something to you”
Since when, 1992 ? wow things are moving rather quickly, ‘talk and work’ indeed !
“True, India a powerful country in it’s own right”
“Isreal can do anything and get away with it, because US is always there to support and defend and Israel is US’s satellite, can India become such a satellite state ??”
I thought you said India was not a powerful country, that we would have to become a US satellite to be a powerful country. you seem to be caught in your own web of words and contradictions. Truth be told, if it came down to it, damn USA and damn Russia, we can take care of things on our own, and nobody would dare oppose us. This is not 71′ its 08′, ofcourse people like you might disagree.
“When more than 50% of our armed forces are used up for internal peace and when nearly 60-70% of the material is imported, which military poweress are you talking about??”
So what if India’s military technology is borrowed ? Isreal runs on american weapons too, dont see them being called weak. and who is to blame for that ? Kangress !
“You can buy many BSF officers for peanuts. Just disguise yourself as a B’deshi immigrant and take a stroll on the WB border you will get first hand experience. Thatz why I said, take care of that in WB and half the problem of illegal immigration is solved.”
You can buy Kangresis and commies for less. BSF maybe partially responsible, but the true culprits are the corrupt and anti national kangressis and commies. solely blaming BSF for our illegal immigration is a bit far fetched by any delusional standards.
“Misguided machismo will only help satisfy the bloated egos of a select few, it will hardly help achieve substantially on the ground.”
au contraire, considering the impotent response to our enemies from our current rulers, a little injection of testorone would really help India at this point. A more macho response to India’s security problems will not only change situation on the ground, but also help the self image of all Indians.
“It can hardly be the case that even someone as vacuously inept as Home Minister Shivraj Patil approves these attacks on what the Indian Mujahedeen email called the Kuffar-e-Hind (infidels of India).”
Only zero tolerance can end terror
http://www.dailypioneer.com/columnist1.asp?main_variable=Columnist&file_name=swapan%2Fswapan199%2Etxt&writer=swapan
yes patil is a joke. But Raje also has to accept responsibilty for her part of the failure. Think about it: except gujarat as in the case of sohrabuddin, which other government has preemptively taken out terrorists to prevent terrorist attacks?
Even the creation of a federal agency is not a new concept. It was mooted by the BJP, amongst other proposals aimed at strengthening the internal security of the nation and was even part of its manifesto in the 2004 elections. But the proposal lay in cold storage for much of the last 4 years. However, in this case, it seems more like a knee-jerk reaction to deflect blame from the congress party’s ineptness, and make it a more generic problem, the blame for which the centre and states can evenly share.
Creating a federal agency, though a right step, is not the panacea for all terrorist related problems facing the country. For, without any political will to curb this menace and without strong laws to prosecute and punish the guilty, it would be just another toothless agency under a gutless government.
This government had two options to deal with this problem – do something about it, OR appear to do something about it, and sadly, like always, its the second and somewhat easier option which the PM has chosen.
“….read my words again, I said you cant be rational with the jihadis and that India is a super-patient civilization. Asking Indians (who are super-rational and super-patient) to be patient and rational is a bit disingenuous….”
So what exactly did you achieve by being impatient and irrational ? Are you a professional to handle jihadists ? There are professionals who have expertise in handling jihadists, leave the job to them. Being impatient that too on a blog, nobody has achieved anything.
As for Pamela Philipose, she doesn’t represent IE just because she writes in IE. If you don’t like what she writes, just don’t care, there are many things IE publishes that’s good, read them.
I mentioned Pusillanimous in the context of our policy with respect to neighbours, epsecially Pak and B’desh and in the same context I mentioned abt lack of consistency and long term vision. Giving freedom to RAW will help neuter both of them.Even NDA didn’t give full freedom to RAW.
As for ASEAN, just because they respect India it doesn’t mean they go and do everything on our behalf. Since 1992 how much has India done it’s part of the work?? After PVN there was political instability in our country and then Asian financial crisis in which it was the East and SouthEast Asian nations that were most affected. Including a big country like India is not some joke, they will have worries about the effects of India’s entry on their local industries. India-ASEAN FTA work is going on and is poised to come into effect in/by 2011. Economic cooperation involves that India give something to get something. Tariffs and their impacts on our local industry have to be worked out and ASEAN countries have to do the same. More over ASEAN doesn’t work on institutional mechanism and even one country can veto a decision and China with its huge economic power (trade between China and ASEAN is $200+ billion while India’s is not even $50 billion) wrt ASEAN countries can arm twist any one of them to go against India’s entry. There were issues of Myanmar hosting the summit and which it didn’t. Volumes can be written on it as it is not as casual as you mentioned in one sentence. When did India take it seriously – when China made moves of an FTA with ASEAN in 2002. BTW the look east policy was initiated by congress and continued by Vajpayee and he did a good job that time by initiating work on FTA.
“….I thought you said India was not a powerful country, that we would have to become a US satellite to be a powerful country….”
As I said before I can’t help you think. you can think whatever you want to. I never said that to become powerful you have to become US satellite state. But yes, to behave irresponsibly and get away with it you certainly need to have the support of a powerful country, in the current case the USA.
of course yes, if push comes to shove, India will act on its own and will not care abt USA or Russia, but that situation hasn’t come yet.
“So what if India’s military technology is borrowed ?”
India’s is not just borrowed (abt which I dont have a problem) but is also dependent on outsiders and that is the problem.
“…damn USA and damn Russia, we can take care of things on our own, and nobody would dare oppose us….”
If by this statement you are saying that India can become militarily strong in isolation, I am afraid you are mistaken. (If you mean something else, please do clarify)
Without Russian cooperation we will get to lose many things. Just cancel the visas for all Rusian engineers in India and see the effect. ATV program will lag behind, the BMD will take a hit and also lag. SLBM will also get lagged. Do you know that for an effective BMD we need long range radars and we dont have any indigenous long range radars. We still depend on outside help. prototype testing of a few BMDs is not the same as a functioning BMD. There is a lot of gap between the two. When was the last time you checked the status of Brahmos integration with Sukhoi?? Sukhoi is playing games and dragging it’s feet? Do you know why?? If not for deft policy India would have lost it’s base in Tajikistan, we got that base because Russia cooperated. If as you say damn Russia why is India parterning with Russia on the GLoNASS project?? And remember getting things on time is one of the most essential things in a country’s policy implementation. Again volumes can be written on it.
Who said Israel is weak. Atleast I didnt say that. I said and meant that if you want to behave irresponsibly like in some cases Israel behaves (it achieved nothing against Hezbollah in 2006) and also get away with it,you need a big brother who can shield you. As for it’s military, Israel is self sufficient and self reliant, meaning technologically it acquired sufficiency through cooperation with US and it has manufacturing capability too and this apart from the $3 billion worth of military equipment from US annually.
As for BSF, taking care of BSF means you will have to beat congress and CPI(M) in their game in WB and Assam. You will be hitting two targets with a single shot. Bureaucracy (of which BSF too is one) are the tools of propagating political agenda. Straightening that will take care of beating one’s political opponent and agenda too. I am not putting the entire blame on BSF.
Machismo is needed but not misguided machismo and this machismo should be by professionals. Jihadists can be handled and terminated by professionals and all they expect is not make their job difficult. Political rhetoric, chauvinistic patriotism, vitiating social atmosphere etc will make the job of professionals difficult. (in mid/late 80’s RAW was a given freer hand and it did yield results, thatz what needs to be done now too) By being impatient in a blog you will not achieve anything, leave it to the law enforcement agencies.
I hope I have clarified enough to make you see that am not contradicting or entangled in a web of words.
I agree with decratl.
It is too early to talk of taking on the enemy axis openly.
The time now is for internal consolidation on the one hand and coming down heavily on Pak-PRC axis on the other.
The crisis in our NE has reached such nefarious proportions that a second parittion is not unthinkable. Another option would be, a decade down the line, to invade BD and liberate the zones of sylhet and chittagong where India’s illegal Bangladeshis can be sent. BD will, for the forseeable future, refuse to accept its illegals back. India may have to force its hand here.
BD is slowly but surely going the Pak way under heavy PRC influence. The erstwhile razakars responsible for upto 3 million bengali deaths in 1971 were back in power with the BNP and even today command a lot of influence in the current dispensation.
BD-PRC tie-ups in arms deals cannot be ignored. IIRC, India vetoed a PRC submarine base proposal in BD waters a few yrs back. When BD protested and threatened to go ahead anyway, Delhi threatened a naval blockade. All this happened away from the public eye but you get the point. BD is giving back by pumping up ISI support for NE insurgents, denying India access to its natural gas deposits in CHT, denying transit rights for goods to the NE and seaport access via CHT and so on. ‘Liberating’ CHT as a haven for BD’s persecuted religious minorities (Hindus and Buddhists, mostly) may be the only way to go in another few yrs.
Demographic changes and islam’s rising profile in our NE bodes ill for this country. Already large tracts of lower Assam (esp the areas around Dhubri) are moslem majority which they weren’t in 1948. Should another partition occur, we should know better than to repeat the mistakes of misguided Gandhigiri in the last one.
JMTs and IMVVHOs.
/Have a nice day, all.
Yossarin – No abusive language please. I have deleted comments with abuse wherever I have seen them. Also no asking anybody to leave this site. Everyone is welcome to comment, even our worst detractors as long as they are not abusive. Please engage in substantiative debate without the need for invective. Finally if you chase away the Y2s and the Samurais, where is the funny in patting each others back. So we need diversity of opinion here to make it interesting, which also means making our worst detractors feel welcome. I hope you wont disappoint me.
Vasundhra reveals more on ‘Walk the Talk’ –
http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/videopod/
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Thanks saakshi.
Raje’s straightfwd recounting of where things currently stand is frightening.
The center’s deliberate inaction on issues as important as the RCOCA law is inexcusable. What is Dilli thinking? If they want to commit suicide fine, just dont take the country with you!
sorry for my strong words below that might sound harsh but here is summary:
PM: no strict laws are needed to fight terrorism. we will strongly complain to pakistan about terror attacks and hopefully they will behave.
FM: we will fight terrorism. we will pay money to muslims died in terror attacks.
sonia: terrorists have no religion. I will make sure all India will be catholic soon.
Raul, Biyanka: we want to settle in Italy and chill out.
CPM: pakistanis are our brothers, they are merely angry with us so don’t be bothered by 20 terror attacks in last 4 years. we are merely chinese stooges and hate India’s culture and heritage.
Shivraj patil: terrorist are our brothers and sisters and our vote banks, we will never harm them. I used to be maratha but now a enunch dancing for sonia.
Pratibha patil: all I want to do is work as housemaid in sonia’s mansion. don’t get me involved here please.
Lalu: there are no terrorists in India. No terror attack has ever happened. I am arranging more trains to bring bangladeshi jihadis and pakistani terrorists straight into Indian cities.
SP, Mulayam: Bangla jihadis are good people and my vote banks. India will benefit from their jihadi work.
Mayawati: I still don’t understand thow bad UP is messed up with jihadi sleeper cells.
Decratl,
“So what exactly did you achieve by being impatient and irrational ? Are you a professional to handle jihadists ? There are professionals who have expertise in handling jihadists, leave the job to them. Being impatient that too on a blog, nobody has achieved anything.”
I’m not sure why its keeps being mentioned ‘on a blog’, I suppose the insinuation is of a armchair general, let me break if down for you, a blog is about ideas, ideas are very powerful, actions for the Indian nation are based on ideology. I dont think yossarin’s recruiting RAW members here, just in case there was some confusion. In any case asking indians to be patient with the jihadis, is like asking the hen to be patient with the wolf, not so smart. You have to destroy them, and do it NOW, not be patient.
“As for Pamela Philipose, she doesn’t represent IE just because she writes in IE. If you don’t like what she writes, just don’t care, there are many things IE publishes that’s good, read them.”
If she writes for them, which she does, she represents them. Not a very revolutionary idea, basic common sense to most people. The argument was the lack of fairness of IE, which i think you agree you lost, not about whether or not one’s going to read it. Mr shourie’s articles are great !
“Isreal can do anything and get away with it, because US is always there to support and defend and Israel is US’s satellite, can India become such a satellite state ??”
“I never said that to become powerful you have to become US satellite state. But yes, to behave irresponsibly and get away with it you certainly need to have the support of a powerful country, in the current case the USA.”
could it be, that I helped you think, made you realize the apparently folly of your earlier statement, and help refine it to where it sounds more agreeable =) you can thank me later buddy.
“”As for BSF, taking care of BSF means you will have to beat congress and CPI(M) in their game in WB and Assam. You will be hitting two targets with a single shot.”
I’m glad you are able to toe my line, and agree that just blaming BSF for india’s illegal migration problem is a bit delusional. I’m glad i was able to cure yet another delusion. this is what i had said to your charge that BSF was responsible
BSF maybe partially responsible, but the true culprits are the corrupt and anti national kangressis and commies.
“By being impatient in a blog you will not achieve anything, leave it to the law enforcement agencies.”
If you are a member of the RAW, you have my apologies, if not, spare me the ‘on a blog’ BS. I got news for you, you are also just ‘on a blog’. Unless you are commenting from the front lines, snap out of the ‘on a blog’ BS, you’re insulting not only me but everybody else here.
“I hope I have clarified enough to make you see that am not contradicting or entangled in a web of words.”
you certainly have, either rephrased my arguments, or refined your own arguments to sounds more reasonable and less delusional.
The irrational thinking or exchange of irrational ideas (whether in blogs or in private) by the followers of a political party who by the way will be the foot soldiers of political parties puts pressure on the political masters of that party/parties which then translates to undue pressure and expectations of irrational actions from the law enforcement agencies which hardly yields any results. You obviously haven’t experienced the productivity of debating and discussing rationally neither do you seem to have first hand experience/knowledge on what it means to have working relations with political opponents. Have you done any research on what is the status of centre-state or state to state intelligence cooperation?? The lack of working relations between the foot soldiers of different political parties is another problem. The effects of extreme thinking and the actions that follow thereof between different political parties is taking a toll on the cooperation on intelligence matters amongst different states and ultimately the fight against terrorists.
“…You have to destroy them, and do it NOW, not be patient…”
of course, yes, if you let the professionals in law enforcement/intelligence agencies do their job and not create hurdles in their way they will terminate terrorists and terrorism too.
“…Pamela Philipose and IE fairness…”
It’s not my problem if you have a different notion of fairness like that of CPI(M) who think every thing has to pass their notion of correctness or else it is wrong!!! The argument is still about fairness and in a democratic country like India what IE is doing is fair enough. Just because you don’t read about the good things they write about the good policy initiatives taken up by BJP, it doesn’t translate to unfairness.
“…could it be, that I helped you think, made you realize the apparently folly of your earlier statement, and help refine it to where it sounds more agreeable =) you can thank me later buddy…”
Your lack of comprehensional capabilities doesn’t automatically translate to my follies buddy.
“…I’m glad you are able to toe my line, and agree that just blaming BSF for india’s illegal migration problem is a bit delusional. I’m glad i was able to cure yet another delusion. this is what i had said to your charge that BSF was responsible…”
Yeah, some people lack comphrensional capabilities and can’t seem to decide what to target when (even simple things that bureaucracy is a political tool and straightening/targeting them helps win the fight also needs to be explained in detail) and so at times we have to explain to such people in their own language, and thatz all I did.
“….spare me the ‘on a blog’ BS. I got news for you, you are also just ‘on a blog’. Unless you are commenting from the front lines, snap out of the ‘on a blog’ BS,….”
oh ooo…..somebody seems to be hurt…..your words are a manifestation of your feelings. I am sorry if I have hurt your feelings!!! I didn’t intend to do that. My intention was to tell you to channel your anger in a more productive way.
“…you’re insulting not only me but everybody else here…”
you obviously aren’t reading comments from others.
“….you certainly have, either rephrased my arguments, or refined your own arguments to sounds more reasonable and less delusional….”
Yeah, some people make casual statements like that of ASEAN-India relations or India becoming militarily powerful in isolation (so delusional isn’t it!!) and we have to refine/explain in detail the statements to make them understand.
Sud,
Thanks for that info on “BD-PRC deal and Delhi’s threat of Naval blockade”. But I heard PRC is talking to B’desh about developing port at Kutubdia. Any more info on that??
Saakshi, thanx for that link on WTT.
Nagpur weekly did tip us off: DGP
Rajasthan Top Cop Admits They Doubted Report Veracity
http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Daily/skins/TOI/navigator.asp?Daily=TOIM&login=default&AW=1211170992890
I posted this titbit yesterday and TOI has followed it up and this is a very serious development. If the Rajasthan Cops had a warning from the media the should have acted. I think Vasundhara Raje must act decisively in full glare of the media.
Nagpur weekly did tip us off: DGP
Rajasthan Top Cop Admits They Doubted Report Veracity
Akhilesh Kumar Singh | TNN
Jaipur: In a candid confession, Rajasthan DGP Amarjot Singh Gill on Sunday admitted that police did receive copies of the Nagpur weekly’s March 2008 issue which reported that the Walled City areas in Jaipur were infested by Wahabi groups and have become a hub of terrorist activities.
Reacting to a news item in this newspaper on Sunday on the Nagpur weekly’s disclosures that went unheeded, Gill told TOI, “We could not understand the gravity of the developments in the city and took them more as an outcome of differences between two sects of the community.”
The DGP said it is an open secret that the Barelvis and Deobandis, the two sects among the Muslims, are daggers drawn
in the city. The Barelvis have been alleging that a mosque was being used for terrorist activities and that over two lakh people congregated there for a religious function in February. Police also knew about a dispute between the two sects over the possession of the mosque. “We didn’t take cognizance of this dispute because such conflicts of interests between different sects of the community are commonplace in the entire country,” he said.
The report came after that. “We gathered that the report was sent to the weekly by a Barelvi follower,” Gill said, explaining why the police doubted its veracity. Also, there was no concrete evidence to suggest there were terrorists in the mosque.
The Hindi weekly—Iman Ki Awaaz—is published from Mominpura in the heart of Nagpur. Its edition dated March 28 warned that the presence of Wahabi group, which believes in violence, might have something to do with a major operation in the Walled City. Editor Mohammed Hameed on Saturday told TOI copies of the weekly were circulated to all the important persons of Jaipur. Although the DGP played down the report, sources said the state intelligence had also warned about possible disturbances in the locality months ago. This prompted the government to order installation of CCTVs in the Walled City areas, and a private firm was hired to execute the project. But officials concerned took little interest in the project and it got delayed.
Weekly’s activists grilled:
The Nagpur police quizzed activists of the Indian Muslim Association Noori (Iman) for over two hours after they claimed that copies of their Hindi weekly had forewarned about growing terrorism in Rajasthan, but the authorities had chosen to ignore them. TNN
@arjun: Comment 9
It was disgusting to hear the talk of the congress spokesperson. If you notice, in these “secular” media channels, the BJP spokesperson is usually on an off-site position, and the Congress/ Left spokesperson is in the studio. As a result, it sounds as if the BJP person is shouting, while the Congress person is softspoken and mature.
In case, they get the BJP person in the studio, they make sure he is hopelessly outnumbered by opposing parties. Eg. Watch the BIG FIGHT on NDTV – SAturday 17th May – Prakash Javdekar was singly fighting against Salman Khurshid (Congress), Shahid Siddique (SP) and Atul Kumar Anjaan from CPIM. If that wasnt enough, they also had BJP baiter Prem Shankar Jha. And of course, the anchor Vikram Chandra was helping to lead the battle against Javdekar, shouting him down at times and shutting him up at strategic moments. You should just watch his body language, his cocky attitude that most of these journos have.
http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/videopod/default.aspx?id=29371
Decratl,
Your arguments sir, are like a dog chasing it’s tail, it just goes around in circles. It’s fun to watch but it has to end sometime. Your verbal gymnastics has it’s entertainment value, I was hoping for something intellectual.
I’ve to say I didnt see anymore of the ‘you’re just on the blog’ comments. I really thought you would share some deep insight, but the cheap insults were a huge letdown.
I’m glad you now concede that the time to deal with jihadis is NOW ( whatever happened to the virtues of patience )
that blame of illegal migration lies with Kangress/commies ( not those easily sold BSF officers as you argued )
that holier then thou IE carries hindu hating journalists ( delusionaly fair indeed )
that India does not need to be a US satellite to be powerful country ( you said it did, well, before you changed your mind )
that hindus should care about the persecution of malaysian hindus. ( you argued against it, NICE !)
You can question my comprehension, some might question your credibility.
Peace out.
Dear Mr. Aryan:
“…You can question my comprehension, some might question your credibility…”
I am glad you finally realized your comprehensional capabilities are questionable. As for my credibility, you are welcome to doubt it, I don’t care. I don’t need any certificate of credibility from Mr. Aryan.
one more example of your low comprehensional capabilities.
This news is all over the media, Senior RSS leader M G Vaidya, it seems, has made an observation in a column in a Marathi daily ‘Tarun Bharat’ that there is a need for BJP-Congress combination at the centre.
If we take a logical extension of your logic of “Pamela Philipose representing IE” then Mr. Vaidya, a senior RSS leader of some stature, is representing RSS, this means RSS wants to tie up with Congress – the anti national party you have been mentioning. oh my God ? How can this be Mr. Aryan?? RSS (by another logical extension BJP too!!!) is tying up with anti-nationals, what are going to do now? If you continue to support BJP-RSS, by another logical extension, you are also anti-national because you are supporting (by being part of BJP-RSS) an anti-national party.
When you don’t have an idea of what amounts to fairness in a democracy, there is no point in trying to explain to you, either by way of verbal gymnastics or weightlifting, the complexities of international relations(like Israel-US-UN) or statecraft (bureaucracy being used as a political tool, like BSF and police dept or leaving the job of handling terrorists to intelligence agencies and supporters of political parties being more mature etc) . You first have to learn about democracy – it’s features, it’s subtleties, it’s intricacies, the way the components in a democracy function, the feedback system in democracy and it’s importance etc etc. once you understand that part then you will realize the beauty that is India and Indian democracy (which of course needs more strength and stability).
Gracefully, there are rational people (though they number few) in the BJP-RSS camp capable of winning and that gives the hope that regional satraps aren’t going to hijack national policies by being a part of coalition govts.
As for Malaysian Hindus, my first priority is always Indians and the consequences of India’s actions on Indians then I’ll think abt secondary or tertiary issues like Malayasian citizens.
You are already offended so am not going to push any further, lastly, an opinion. Don’t cheat yourself by believing that you are discussing “ideas” in the blog when what mostly you indulge in is ranting or cussing or fussing. The effects of such delusions and beliefs on a large scale in not healthy for our society. Study about sociology, democracy or international relations, your time will be spent more productively then discuss ideas it will be productive for the country as well as which ever political party you want to represent –congress
or BJP.
Cheers!!!!
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