Only the sudden removal of Narendra Modi can stop this. For he is the agent forcing this change. And whilst he?s with us, he will do just that.
That was Karan Thapar in the Hindustan Times?speculating on the future of the 3rd term Chief Minister of Gujarat and the BJP’s rising star.
Even by the most charitable of explanations it is impossible to interpret Thapar’s remarks as anything but speculating on a possible mishap here.
It is inconceivable how a journalist of Thapar’s calibre would be so flippant and and unremorseful of such macabre speculation. A simple phrase like “god forbid” could have reflected some concern on Thapar’s part to such an undesirable event.
Instead Thapar’s multiple references to such a mishap reflect the callous attitude with which his ilk are?viewing the rise of Narendra Modi.
Given the sequence of events unravelling across the border in Pakistan, one cannot help but view Thapar’s remarks as plain mischief mongering.
If CNN-IBN and Hindustan Times want to remain viable media houses with a semblance of credibility they must fire Karan Thapar forthwith for this callous, suggestive mischief mongering of the worst kind.
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Good one!
Very true. All these psec media sources are crazy and hate the rise of Modi.
Good one there! stench of malice in KT’s article is choking.
Where are all the resident “demaacrazy” upholding leftists who keep commenting around here? Koi Hai? Anybody would like to give their “morally superior” and “uppity” opinion on this?
KT is a stupid journo.
KT is a man without BRAIN. HE SHOULD THINK FIRST WEATHER HE IS ENOUGH CAPABLE TO MAKE ANY COMMENT ON A GREAT NARENDRABHAI. A HEADLESS CHICKEN.
Collective frustration leads to this.Lets not forget that Modi walked out of an interview with Karan Thapar and that Insult seems to have played into his and the channel’s pscyche.This brainless Thapar tried to discredit Field Marshall Cariappa also indirectly.
Earlier We used to hear : Politics / Politicians Stink now We can confidently STATE : ENGLISH MEDIA / Television Anchors and so called Secular MEDIA are Stinking and Rotting and One can make do without these scums.
Can someone in journalist community dare to Question Nehru family’s dynasty rule ?
What can stop Dynasty rule again ? What can stop imposing “not so young anymore” Gandhi on us as future PM ?
Sudden unexpected demise of this family ???
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“Only the sudden removal of Narendra Modi can stop this. For he is the agent forcing this change. And whilst he’s with us, he will do just that”
KARAN THAPAR SHOWED A NEW LOW OF INDIAN ENGLISH MEDIA.
SHAME..WHAT A SHAME.
(Hey Offstuped: Man, your Blog is becoming very important because of your originality. Consistently, you are writing great pieces. Thanks for all of your effort.)
However, God forbid, if that situation arises, let us remember:
1. Once an idea is out, there can be no ways to stop that.
2. Hindus believe in immortality of soul, incarnation.
Once BJP is coming back to power…these ppl are going to jail….Mr. Rajdeep Sardesai, Prannoy Roy, Barkha dutt,Sagarika Ghose,Vidya Subramaniam…..
entirely for anti-national nonsense news and false rumours….
Since these ppl know their impending doom…they are trying level best to spread false rumours to malign and hurt BJP….
But let me tell you….the day of justice is not far….these demonic journos cannot get away with what all they have done….
“Only the sudden removal of Narendra Modi can stop this.”
My question is: Can it?
My guess would be that a “sudden removal” should be the last thing that the pseudo-seculars must pray for! For God forbid, if that does happen, that will only mean the acceleration of the take over of the “vile Hindutva forces”!
Now Vinod Mehta also wishes the same:
http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20080114&fname=ZcVinod&sid=1
“May 2008 be a Modi-free year for you. Season’s greetings!”
This is the call that the Terrorist B team is giving to the A team. He is calling for Modi’s elimination like Benazir bhotto!
http://intellibriefs.blogspot.com/2007/12/karan-thapar-must-be-fired.html
Here National Leader Arun Jaitely takes a dig at English Media……
http://www.indianexpress.com/story/255991.html
English Media……Indian Public may now relatively have more trust in Musharraf then you………
The Modi charisma
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/S_Dasgupta_The_Modi_charisma/articleshow/2661475.cms
Thapar had tears for a certain Benazir who in a passing out parade of Pakistan Military Academy commented that each passing out cadet was a Ghazani, a Babar and a Tipu and will carry out Jihad against India. But the same man is wishing or rather exhorting the death of Modi, a fellow country man. I wish that Thapar himself is suddenly removed to grant us at least a partial repreive from this neo colonialist hate mongering.
Karan thapar is complete nutter and ar** ho**. Indeed a man without brain. He is probably paranoid and schiezophenic after NM’s thumping victory adding fuel to blasting of his arrogance earlier by walking out of interview by shri Narendra Modi. These guy do not deserve to work even in a local evening news paper. Even they have better and sensible political analyst. NM is future of India and he should be protected no matter what it takes.
Sources have revelead that there was a closed door meeting between Political and Media honchos comprising Sonia Gandhi,Digvijay Singh,Jayanti Natrajan, Abhishekt Singhwi,Prannoy Roy,Rajdeep Sardesai,Vinod Dua,Vinod Mehta and many other distinguished Media elite …..
It’s still unclear what actually has transpired in the meeting…but sources have hinted that this meeting was in the line of other such weekly meetings between Congress and MSM to take stock of Congress loss in the states of Gujarat and Himachal…..
Sonia Gandhi was looking a little displeased with the efforts of the Media in getting her back to power in these two states..especially in Gujarat…
Media Honchos have now promised a more virulent hate campaign against BJP and other Anti-Congress parties that would infact put to shade the hate campaign of Media against BJP in recently held Gujarat elections, in the coming Assembly elections of Rajasthan, MP and Chattisgarh.
Raghu,
Vinod Mehta has finally shorn whatever fig leaf of neutrality he may have had and is now declaring himself as completely biased!
“Pseudo-secularists (me included) are copiously mourning the victory of Narendra Modi. There is enormous reluctance to acknowledge the scale of the achievement. The Merchant of Death scored against huge odds. He did not win because he is a one-dimensional cut-out. His political enemies should analyse his craftily constructed persona instead of reducing him to a caricature. To vanquish Modi, we must dissect the Modi “package”. It is one part development, one part Muslim-baiting, one part histrionics, one part demagoguery, one part messianism. This Modi myth needs to be demolished in the killing fields of Gujarat, not in TV studios.”
I wonder why these journos are not scared of their credibility being eroded!
Vinod Mehta talks from his ..se !!!!! I am sure you guys heard him on CNN IBN with Sagarika Ghosh, he went on ranting until Swapan Dasgupta and Lord M. Desai cut him short.
As Arun Jaitley put it ” THEY ARE BAD LOSERS”
For me OUTLOOK IS OUTLOOKED FOREVER, if they keep such idiots on their panel.
every circus must have a clown, and the indian media circus has vinod mehta for a clown. Don’t take him seriously, and enjoy the comic relief.
He is the worst journalist i even seen in my life..
he is just like a congress politician.
Hey Politician is a Respectable word.
He is actually DOORMAT of 10 Janpath
A “Final Solution” must be executed for these psuedo-secular journalists and politicians in India. People like Karan Thapar, Rajdeep Sir-desai, Pranoy Roy should be lined up and using mr Thapar’s lingo, ’suddenly removed’ =)
But rather then go fascist on them, it’s fun to watch them marginalize themselves by their dumb reporting.
Mr Thapar’s extreme language expresses his extreme IMPOTENT RAGE at being unable to influence the gujurat elections. Unfortunately, Mr Thapar there is not pharmacuetical cure for you particular malaise.
He had a real smug face on him, when he insulted Mr. Modi in his interview. Whose got the smug face now Mr. Thapar ?
On same vein, Dilip D’Souza speculated few years ago that entire NDA leadership could/should be taken out. Was a “mind-exercise” only.
And I’m sure that JCage at BR didn’t miss those 250+ posts on that episode? And this same D’Souza who was awarded by nationalinterest.in the Aug 15th prize on some Kashmir related essay, right?
Remind me again, why fire Karan?
Mehta at least has no pretensions to neutrality. He is a self confessed Sonia sycophant. Others like Thapar, Rajdeep and Prannoy continue to peddle their prejudices all the while carrying on the charade of impartiality.
Vinod mehta is a self hating hindu.
“It is one part development, one part Muslim-baiting, one part histrionics, one part demagoguery, one part messianism.”
Your hatred for Mr. Modi is one part your ‘hindu self hating’, one part jihadi-loving, one part traitor supporting, one part communist, one part do*chebagery =)
“This Modi myth needs to be demolished in the killing fields of Gujarat, not in TV studios.”
the demolition of this sick pseudo-journalism which began in the gujurat ballot, will be finished in the TV studios.
“May 2008 be a Modi-free year for you. Season’s
greetings!”
We ‘communals’, consider terror and terrorists as the opposite of Mr. modi. So……..
Mr. Vinod Mehta, may 2008 be a terror-filled year for you ! Seasons greetings !
Mr. Vinod mehta used to be the editor in chief of Debonair mens magazine according to wikipedia. You certainly want that on your resume to be taken as a serious journalist.
It takes a certain amount of blood flow to the brain in order to make rational thought, maybe he was ‘editorializing’ the latest debonair pictorial, while writing this brilliant article =)
An Interesting tid-bit on Karan Thapar’s disgraced, loser, traitor father general P N Thapar.
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/ARMY/Army-Chiefs/Chiefs-Army07.html
a quote from the article
“General Thapar was forced to resign from the Indian Army on 19 November 1962, after the debacle of the 1962 Indo-China War”
Karan thapar is just finishing the traitor work started by his traitor, loser father, by working for the paki/chinese.
I guess one of the ways to expose or to bring forth to the ‘ignorant’ masses….the duplicity of these ‘pseudo-sickularists’ journalists…of which KT, Rajdeep, Vinod Mehta, Barkha Dutt et al are prominent is to raise hell in blogosphere…(as Yossarin n others have already inititiated)…so that the effects r reverbated in the print as well as electronic media…n hopefully the BJP central leadership as well as Guj govt will take notice of this…(to expect something effective ’bout this kinda thing from MMS’s govt would b like spitting in the wind!
As Arun Jaitely pointed out in his recent column in Express…these self-righteous indignant sickularists r sure a bunch of sour losers…who genuflect n grandstand n pontifact on the issues o the day with an air of moral superirority so as to demonstrate to the masses that their Oxford education endowes them with this right…to show the ‘moral’, ‘ethical’ n ’sickularist’ path to the uncivilzed barbarian natives….
A NAXALITE GOT GANDHIAN AWARD
http://intellibriefs.blogspot.com/2007/12/gandhian-award-to-naxalite-joke-of-year.html
Karan Thappar is a traitor from a family of traitors. By calling for the assasination of an elected Chief Minister, he should be charged and imprisoned for incitement to commit terrorism and murder.
The traitorous and immoral P-Sec establishment is dying a death of a thousand cuts and they will do anything – sink to any depth – to try to fight the tide.
God bless India. I hope for the sudden removal of these P-sec maggots.
The following comment is from one of the commentators from Sandeep’s Web blog…in response to his “The Devil in the advocate post”…I wish I had this kind of clarity…;)
>>”Remarkably after all the reams of paper filled and the tankers of ink spilt, Sonia hasn’t changed her approach to politics one bit since her grand entrance 10 years ago. It is still that ‘as if to the manner born’ look, the complete merger of the Congress identity within the Nehru/Gandhi clan identity (the latter being a complete hoax), and the plain and clear goal of continued suzerainty over India’s thinking and living. What has changed is the attitude of the prospective allies. IG for all her ruthlessness was a patriot to the core and it can be argued every action she took however distasteful and however nepotistic was tied into India’s interests in some way or the other. IG was a ver strong and courageous person and treated carpetbaggers like the DMK and traitors from the commie parties like dirt. No one treated commies like she did, utterly divesting them of any claim to respectability whatsoever. Mimic marxes like Jyoti Basu still quake in their boots when they think of her (which is why the crook contrived to keep clear of the prisons during the Emergency). Sonia’s interests are narrower and exhibit a siege mentality. She is at the vanguard of a ramshackle Nehruvian – don’t worry-be happy-socialist spirit staffed by limo liberals, chatterati, and assorted doormats clinging to visions of world domination through medicrity. At the core these punks have either their family interests at heart (Lalloo. Mulayam, Karunanidhi, Deve Gowda etc.) or their scotch and soda exclusivity on the tops of their minds. They love to lord it over the less educated or the indigenously educated folk, keep us out of their IIC and keep us out of the Euiropean junkets. Vinod Mehta, Rajiv Shukla, Vir Sanghvi, N.Ram etc., love to be our patronisers. Unfortunately huge masses of India have moved past and are leaving this crumbling facade behind in the dust. There are some who buy into this corrupt vision and rather than making a determined push to compete would like to join the chatterati and gliberals and blame crony capitalism for their fate. Vinod Mehta’s Outlook is founded on the belief that cynicism runs deep in India and that a rag that runs counter to the India Today formula of optimism is bound to find a market. Vinod Mehta hasn’t bett badly but had better watch out. Ideas are fickle things and never last for ever. India is one of those media markets where blog readership overlaps almost completely with ELM readership. That is every person in the latter category is likely to have an internet connection. Making the ELM irrelevant should be an easier task in India than it is in otehr parts of the world.”
>>Comment by kaangeya on December 31, 2007 @ 5:16 am
Gr8 comment IMO…this is what needs 2 b said 2 the pseudo-sickuarists morons…esp upfront!
Need Of the Hour: Hindu Unity
All Hindus in India should unite to fight for our rights. Congress and Communists are pandering for Muslim and Chrisitian votes. They use reservation to divide Hindus. it is time that we stand up for our rights. Why should I pay tax for Haj pilgrimage? Not one muslim country of total 57 in the world gives this facility to their muslim citizens. Why should so called SECULAR India do that? 15% of 11 Five year plan is to be spent on Muslims. Would this include Shahrukh Khan, Sania Mirza etc? There a lot of poor Hindus. I have even seen so called High caste hindus living in squalid conditions. We have to unite for our suvival. Educate yourself and raise your personal standards and work towards improving the living standards of fellow Hindus first. NDTV, IBN and their fellow psuedo secular channels are all controlled by Churches, Communists and Muslims. NDTV keeps showing the plight of muslims alone. they would conduct vote on the truth behind Sabarimala Jyothi but would extend Id and christmas greetings. All their reporters from Tamil Nadu are christian. No coverage on Ram Sethu but would cover Nawaz Sharif’s visit and Benazir’s death full time. Please Hindus stand up and fight for your rights. Unite.Follow what Vivekananda said: Arise, Awake and stop not until the goal is reached. India is our motherland and it should be protected at all costs.
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““Only the sudden removal of Narendra Modi can stop this. For he is the agent forcing this change. And whilst he’s with us, he will do just that”
Is this the comment that has everyone up in arms ?
I can’t seem to read into it as much as the writer has.
Modi if he is to have much chance at appealing to the minorities, you know those types that swing elections will have no choice but to tone down his rhetoric if he wants a chance at national politics. India is not Gujarat, there are a lot of other states in there as well
If he brings along with him a positve agenda for development he will have a very good chance. But he has to let the demons go.
More than the Jihadi elements, it’s the so-called secularists who are a greater threat. I have personally heard one very famous social activist wish eagerly for Bal Thakrey’s assassination. She often stages dance-dramas and lectures on Gandhi and non-violence in her public appearances.
Check out my own views on the recently concluded Gujarat polls:
http://proaudience.com/2007/12/saffron-wins-back-gujarat/
Pankaj Mohan
blr_p – yes India is not Gujarat, but give a couple of more years of Manmoorkh and Sonia Christiano constantly abusing Hindus and you will see the end result.
tota – where are Hindus being abused ?
in Gujarat ? cos i dont get this impression from talking to my friends in other states.
It’s kinda hard to take that sort of statement seriously cos its rather difficult to actually abuse the incumbent group in any country, unless a dictator is involved.
It’s tantamount to a white man crying out about injustice in the west which is usually laughed at derisively.
He does not have to care how govt. works as he will always be taken care of. Its he minorities that have to fight for similar rights
KT is a mad dog…come to think of it…I believe the media is the most corrupt instituion in India, else how could an entire section of the media go against one guy????
Guys…read further..an superb article by one of the most reputed and pricipled journalist in India : Mr. M V Kamath:
http://intellibriefs.blogspot.com/2007/10/mocking-of-india-resurgent.html
http://intellibriefs.blogspot.com/2007/10/mocking-of-india-resurgent.html
Instead of cliched articles appearing on NDTV and CNN-IBN….this article should appear…..
“media is the most corrupt institution in India”
No Doubt.
@blr_p
“where are Hindus being abused ?”
Uh, kashmir ! 1/2 a million hindu kashmiri refugees.
what about the dozens of terrorist attacks ? I suppose they only kill minorities ?
Pakistan had 20% hindu population after partition, ditto for bangladesh, its now less then 1%.
Muslims now have reservations !
Buddhadev, Karunanidhi, Kangress, questioning the existence of Lord Ram !
The Christian missionaries preying on poor hindus, ‘harvesting our souls’ as arun shourie has said.
Special rights for minorities, shahbano case.
Haj subsidies for muslims, and ‘entertainment tax’ for hindu temples in UP.
Only misinformed people or hindu haters would think hindus are not being abused in India.
“Its the minorities that have to fight for similar rights”
Are you completely unaware of special rights and laws for minorities in India ? It’s either pure ignorance or hogwash that this statement conveys.
Leave Kashmir out, that place is unstable, for every hindu that gets abused there, the army takes it out on anyone suspected of wrong-doing. Lots of HRV’s going on there by both parties. It has foreign infiltrations which screws things up even more. The Army has to do what it can to keep the order, bad things will happen.
Pak !!..we are talking bout India, Pak has far bigger problems in store for it atm.
“The Christian missionaries preying on poor hindus, ‘harvesting our souls’ as arun shourie has said.”
This is quite hilarious and i guess the commies or the BJP there aren’t doing anything better…
It’s the state that isn’t doing its job in the first place. That then provides an opening for any missionary to setup Schools, Clinics, that’s what these christian ppl are doing there and have done wherever they see a need. Unless you can enlighten me to these so called ‘harvesting of souls’ i’ll have a hard time accepting what you said.
Conversions happen in this country all the time by all parties, its defections that these guys don’t like.
Are you completely unaware of special rights and laws for minorities in India ? It’s either pure ignorance or hogwash that this statement conveys.
Oh sure, how uniformly are those laws applied in India
..the reality isn’t quite what you portray it to be.
..unless you fight for justice your chances are very small. If you get a chance i suggest you try and live in a foreign country where you will be a minority and then maybe you can get a better idea of what i’m saying.
I think as a secular country, no minority should *ever* have to live in fear anywhere in India.
START SOMETHING SIMILAT TO
http://www.mediabloggers.org/
@blr_p
“Leave Kashmir out, that place is unstable, for every hindu that gets abused there, the army takes it out on anyone suspected of wrong-doing”
Why leave kashmir out ? how are 1/2 million hindu refugees irrelevant ? and, oh, you dont like the Indian army too ? only a TRAITOR would say something like that. You seem concerned about the human rights of terrorists, but 1/2 million hindu refugees are irrelevant ? i hope you have 1/2 a million stats to prove your absurd claim about the Indian army.
“Oh sure, how uniformly are those laws applied in India
..the reality isn’t quite what you portray it to be.”
The laws are on the books, special laws for special minorities. thats the REALITY, and thats BS. If you are intouch with an alternate reality, please enlighten us, oh wise one =) if you are a minority, you are eligible for equal rights, special rights for minority status is BS.
“I think as a secular country, no minority should *ever* have to live in fear anywhere in India.”
Minorities shouldnt live in fear in India, but neither should 1/2 a million hindu refugees. BUT Terrorists or foreign-paid-foreign-agent missionaries should live in fear, and they should leave this holy land.
@blr_p
>>I think as a secular country, no minority should *ever* have to live in fear anywhere in India.
India is a secular country…give me a break. Where the govt and the ELM panders to all ‘imaginary’ and ‘real’ fears of the ‘perenially persecuted’ minorities…Muslims & Xtians…by your yardstick…minorities should have esp. accomodations…the majority always-always have to be so PC…;)
The thinking you are bringing forth is from your foreign masters…the goras..whose own chequered past of treatment of the minorities as well as natives all over the world woyld even put the devil to shame.
Why is that…its Hindus who always have to adjust, accomodate & bear stoically the heaps of abuse hurled @ them, @ their culture as well as their heritage by the PC govt, media in cahoots with the radical Islamicists as well as missionaries hell-bent on dividing people (esp. natives) on religious as well as class lines…you talk about missionaries doing great work…in social arena…yeah…its quite evident as tO what they have done to native population of North-East…where drugs, AIDS, alienation from mainstream India is rampant. Missionaries are a scourge of society…you may as well be reminded of what Zomo Kenyatta said about missionaries coming to Africa:
When the Europeans (meaning the missionaries) came here (Africa), they had the bible and we had the land, they said that this was the book of god…and asked us to meditate. When we opened our eyes…they had the land and we had the bible”
Just goes on to prove…that the kind of Christainity practiced by these missionaries (the word itself evokes some kind of visage of on being a mission..in this case of “harvesting the souls”(Pope John Paul II’s phrase before his journey to India in Nov ‘99…right before Deepawali)…) is nothing but chicanery & deception…n as Gandhi said about them…”I don’t like your Christains…they are so unlike your Christ”…;)
Why leave kashmir out ? how are 1/2 million hindu refugees irrelevant ? and, oh, you dont like the Indian army too ? only a TRAITOR would say something like that.
I said to leave Kashmir out as it isn’t representative of the Hindu condition in the rest of the country that your bleeding heart claims it to be, and you know it just as well.
BUT Terrorists or foreign-paid-foreign-agent missionaries should live in fear, and they should leave this holy land.
I think what you fear is that these missionaries *are* more successful at their work than their competitors.
Hey if these tribal ppl ain’t getting their rocks off praying to whatever God they were born with, Where do you find it in yourself to [b]dictate[/b] to whom they should pray to ??
The Hindu religon itself is actually a lot more open-minded on that last point than any semitic religon. Something i would have thought the Hindutva crowd was aware of.
…the majority always-always have to be so PC
Personally i’m not too much a fan of PC as i prefer to be more outspoken but PC is the norm whether i like it or not. It keeps the noise down so you get to concentrate on issues that affect *everyone*. Where we get to talk about PEOPLE regardless of what colour they are or whom they choose or not to pray to.
Why is that…its Hindus who always have to adjust, accomodate & bear stoically the heaps of abuse hurled @ them, @ their culture as well as their heritage
Pls show us where this is being done ?..try to use examples other than Kashmir for the reasons i outlined above and try to keep it within the country
…you talk about missionaries doing great work…in social arena…yeah…its quite evident as tO what they have done to native population of North-East…
THe NE ppl were alienated a lot longer before missionaries set foot there. That’s what started the seperatists off in the first place. Course now they realise that extortion is quite profitable and those lofty ideas have long been discarded. They have some semblance of power which they were utterly unable to get at the ballot box.
When the Europeans (meaning the missionaries) came here (Africa), they had the bible and we had the land, they said that this was the book of god…and asked us to meditate. When we opened our eyes…they had the land and we had the bible”
Umm, missionaies did not conquer our country, i’m under the impression that a certain East India Company bears full blame for that.
blr_p
Sorry I could not answer yesterday, but others did answer.
“missionaies did not conquer our country, i’m under the impression that a certain East India Company bears full blame for that.”
After 1857 the country was handed over to the British Crown from the East India Company, please try and remember the cause of 1857 – the way missionaries are behaving is going to lead to another 1857.
“THe NE ppl were alienated a lot longer before missionaries set foot there. That’s what started the seperatists off in the first place”
This is a load of garbage. Nehru allowed missionaries in all NE states EXCEPT ARUNACHAL PRADESH (which is just now being infiltrated by missionaries in the last 3 years-guess why?).
THERE HAVE BEEN NO PROBLEMS IN ARUNACHAL PRADESH. The MP are from BJP and the govt was BJP till recently
PLEASE PLEASE – read this article
Indian nationalism is at ease in Arunachal
Excerpt
Jawaharlal Nehru, acting on the advice of the anthropologist Verrier Elwin, prevented the entry of foreign missionaries into the state and this brave decision has enabled Arunachal to preserve its cultural identity and strengthen its Indian-ness.
“I think what you fear is that these missionaries *are* more successful at their work than their competitors.”
Yeah, after 200 years of christian rule, and 50 years of nehru kangressi raj where missionaries were given the red carpet treatment, India is *only* 2% christian, OHHHHH the Hindus are shivering with fear. SO PLEASE CHECK the FACTS before making these OUTLANDISH claims. AGAIN, if you live in an ALTERNATE reality where missionaries are *succesfull* let us know =)
“Hey if these tribal ppl ain’t getting their rocks off praying to whatever God they were born with, Where do you find it in yourself to [b]dictate[/b] to whom they should pray to ??”
The tribals are being bought by MONEY, not by GOD. ‘It’s economics stupid,’ like clinton said, it aint relegion. If you ‘get your rocks off praying to white missionaries’ thats your problem, in a secular country, not the hindus. BUT if you convert people by foreign money, Hindus have a legitimate issue with that.
“The Hindu religon itself is actually a lot more open-minded on that last point than any semitic religon.”
You got that right, thats why there are no missionaries in pak/bangladesh, they use missionaries over there for shooting practice, in India they are treated like a benign nuisance, but things are CHANGING, thank god =)
@blr_p
[i]>>Hey if these tribal ppl ain’t getting their rocks off praying to whatever God they were born with, Where do you find it in yourself to [b]dictate[/b] to whom they should pray to ??…[/i]
Hindus r dictating…man you must b living on Mars! As I mentioned in one of my previous responses…guess whose on a ‘mission’…not Hindus…but the imported missionaries & their local agents n given the havoc these ‘missions’ have inflicted on natives all over the world…I would rather do everything within my means to have that catastrophe repeated in my own backyard…my dear friend, if you get time, watch ‘Rabbit Proof Fence’…a gr8 movie/documentary about how these agenst of god robbed aborigins of Australia by forcibly conversions…so much so that a whole generation of those natives grew up robbed of their values, culture, norms…they languished between two worlds n consequently came to be known as ‘The Lost Generation’…what about cruelty n barbarism inflicted by the Catholic missionaries in South America or on natives in North America…its for the world to see as to how much compassionate these agents of christ were…
…thats why all these communities have been plagued by so much unrest, instability since they came in contact with the white man’s religion! Also, if the might of money (esp. from US of A and other Western nations) was not behind these missionaries, they won’t be indulging in all these endeavors…’tis all ’bout money my friend…as someone said about X-tainity:
X-tainity started in Palestine as a brotherhood…
When it came to Europe…it became a culture…
In America…it became an enterprise…
Tis’ all about money honey…tis’ all ’bout money!:p
Also…there’s an old adage, which needs to be kept in mind to keep a hawk’s eye on missionaries’ activities (esp. in India):
You judge yourself…by what you feel capable of doing…
while other’s judge you…by what you’ve already done…
>>Why is that…its Hindus who always have to adjust, accomodate & bear stoically the heaps of abuse hurled @ them, @ their culture as well as their heritage
Pls show us where this is being done ?..try to use examples other than Kashmir for the reasons i outlined above and try to keep it within the country
What do I need to show? Its quite obvious unless n until you’ve been living on some other planet since last two decades…M F Husain can paint nude pictures of Hindu deities in the name of ‘artistic freedom’ & get away with it…while local Muslims can rant and agitate n indulge in rioting if cartoons are drawn about their prophet in a foreign paper or they can agitate for their religious brethren’s sufferings in some foreign land…polticians like Karunanidhi can question the existence of Ram, Shankracharya can be arrested n flimsy grounds in the middle of the night…but Imam Bukjari of Jama Masjid can get away with seditious speeches or Church in Kerala or Goa can meedle into local politics….thats soooo ’secular’…but Hindus talking about their sentiments, their feelings, their culture, values…thats sooooo communal…man talk about double or triple standards!
Sorry…typo in my prev post:
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I would rather do everything within my means to have that catastrophe repeated in my own backyard…
I would rather do everything within my means NOT to have that catastrophe repeated in my own backyard…
One must be looney bin to say that minorities are persecuted in India..all hogwash…tell me which moredern secular nation in the world allows a personal law board to satisfy the needs of a specific community???? NONE….
The problem with India is that we cannot call it a Hindu Republic to satisfy the minorities nor can we call it a truly SECULAR republic coz the minorities refuse to accept the Common Civil Code, which is bye the way the rule of law.
WHAT PREVAILS IN INDIA TODAY IS SICKULARISM…A Congress conspiracy…First divide the country on linguistic grounds which in turn led to creation of regional parties, thereby ensuring that if not the congress then no other party can form a majority government, Congress is the reason behind all evils in India….
Article by Meghnad Desai, TOI, Jan. 04, 2008
The Time Starts Now
After Gujarat, Congress has its task cut out
Meghnad Desai
The Gujarat elections were pretty decisive. The ‘right-minded’ people who are secular and progressive are appalled at the verdict. Something, they say, must be wrong with the people of Gujarat. How could they vote back a man they think is a monster? On TV, people asserted that a man who had just won a second election in a row with a twothirds seat count was a dictator. He had to be just because he was not one of them. I know the feeling well. I had similar feelings — as a member of the British Labour Party — as my party lost election after election to Margaret Thatcher. All the ‘right-minded’ people like myself and my friends thought she was authoritarian, strident and more or less fascist.
Yet the Great British Public went on voting for her and we kept losing. It was only after three defeats that we began to ask whether we had not got something wrong and whether the public was trying to tell us something. After a fourth defeat even without Margaret Thatcher, the Labour Party decided to change. It adapted to the positive kernel in the Tory package. Thatcher, far from being reviled as an authoritarian monster, is now recognised as one of the greatest British prime ministers of the postwar period.
Analogies are never exact and the Great Indian Public has not yet spoken on Modi; only the Great Gujarat Public has done so. But Congress would do well to study the Labour Party’s experience. As it is, the party may shout its secularism from the rooftops, but it fought the Gujarat elections as a BJP B team. It fielded BJP dissidents despite their record during the riots in the hope that they would topple Modi.
Having stayed away for four and a half years, Congress woke up to Gujarat in the last six months and thought that by reminding Gujaratis about Godhra and the riots, it would win. But by taking on BJP rejects and depending on the old warhorse Keshubhai Patel to deliver the Patidar vote, Congress behaved shamefully. It had no principles, no alternative and Sonia Gandhi by herself was not enough despite the stunning ‘maut ke saudagar’ phrase. Muslims were not given enough seats, and, except for being used as reminders of the Godhra riots, they were largely dumped.
Congress has clearly no grass-roots
organisation left in Gujarat. It has not had a leader from Gujarat since Morarji Desai who could command national attention. At this rate Congress cannot win the next general election whether it is in 2008 or 2009. For the past six months the UPA government has been paralysed by its CPM ‘friends’. The poor prime minister, perhaps the last honest man in Indian politics, has been marginalised and abandoned by Sonia Gandhi. She knows that Rahul baba is not yet ready for the job and until then there can be no mid-term election. The contrast with a PM who has been sidelined is Advani who the BJP shrewdly projected as PM-in-waiting: not to outdo Modi, but to show it had a strong candidate to run the country.
Narendra Modi is a shrewd political operator and those who hate him would do well to study him. He did fight the election on a development agenda, but Congress wanted to talk about the riots. So he did, but about terrorists. He may be evil but he is no fool. He was stung by ‘maut ke saudagar’ and brought out his communal agenda. Now Modi will be Lakshman to Advani’s Ram.
I know some people think the idea is hateful but they better get used to it. If Congress goes on like this — with no grassroots organisation, no policy distinct from the usual casteist rubbish — and if all the workers hang on outside madam and baba’s offices rather than work, then it will be in a sorrier state than it is now. Modi is on the fast track to becoming India’s PM but after Advani wins the next election whenever it is called.
The only politician who has any new ideas now is Mayawati. Her pitch for economic deprivation rather than jati labels as a way of defining affirmative action is a genuine innovation. BJP has suddenly discovered that helping Muslims is against India’s unity. Why did it not oppose Mandal which is equally divisive? For that matter why did the Congress succumb to Mandal? How can any party claim to be for either Hindutva or secularism if it supports every caste vote bank? Mayawati has offered a way out and she has UP in her bag to prove it.
Right now Congress is a hollow shell. It needs reorganisation and some discipline. Rahul is too young and visibly too disinterested to fight Modi. Sonia has tried and failed. The only way out is that the three wannabe PMs — Modi, Mayawati and Rahul — will have to think strategically. Perhaps Mayawati can take Rahul under her wings and along with the bits and bobs of UPA sans the Left yet delay Modi’s ascent. But time is short.
The writer is a member of the British House of Lords
Thats a good article there Jiggs, Cong will def have to change their strategies if they stand any chance in the national elections in 2009. Personally i don;t really care which party is in office so long as it puts the interests of this nation first & foremost.
I’ve been reading around on the NE and forced conversions and it does not look pretty
Will have to follow it up by speaking to ppl with more knowledge of the region.
I wish to see Karan Thapar sitting in the other side in his program devil’s advocate and INI bloggers asking questions at him. Is it a possibility ?
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You are living in a make believe world that so many of your bretherens live in.
“No religious conversion is a matter of choice for the poor.” Isn’t that tune old by now? Can you atleast have the courtesy to entertain us with some new blather? Well if there was a overload of ignorance and arrogance this has to be it.
CHECK THIS OUT THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE AGAINST SHRI NARENDRA MODI
http://www.rediff.com/news/2003/may/09rajeev.htm
After reading the first URL, if you have any doubts, below is an article from Economic times….
http://economictime s.indiatimes. com/P_R_Ramesh_ Pleasing_ Madani/articlesh ow/2264063. cms
We plan to give a Bharat Ratna to Rajdeep and Barkha if there support continues during the national elections. Padma Shree to sirf trailer tha!
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