In the past few weeks Offstumped has been attracting a few comments from Journalists as well as there have been oblique references in the mainstream media on the line taken by Offstumped on Tehelka and more recently on Nandigram. On 1st October 2006 Offstumped had reacted to a piece in the TOI critical of Bloggers. A re-run of that piece follows.
Shobhan Saxena of the Times News Network has written a piece titled ?Bloggers’ rubbish? which appeared on the TOI website. Offstumped has taken a detour from National Security issues to issue a rejoinder from the Blogger community. Shobhan takes on the ever expanding blogosphere claiming that it is filled
with? half-wits, religious maniacs, failed writers, sociopaths and cold-blooded killers.
Shobhan may have a point there, but thats hardly something new, the internet has always been a haven for all individuals of all mental persuasions. So why expect the blogosphere to be any different from the rest of the internet.Shobhan then goes on to further characterize the personality behind the blog as
They are interesting people. They think that they have something to say. They want to be read and heard and seen. But their aspiration is blocked by the obnoxious monster called the Editor and their high-voltage facts mixed with slam-dunk fiction, with a lot of typos and commas and semi-colons in wrong places, go down a drain called the Editorial Process. So they turn to blogging and take refuge under a series of posts on a web page in the form of a diary, with hypertext links to other such diaries
Shobhan’s gripe is that bloggers dont go through an editorial process unlike journalists. What journalists like Shobhan miss is the fact that the blogosphere continues to be vibrant, innovative and hugely popular precisely for these reasons – it is uncontrolled and unregulated. It is what is Free Speech in a Liberal Society is meant to be. Something the likes of Shobhan in the mainstream media fall head over heels to defend. The problem with the likes of Shobhan is their perception of Free Speech is essentially limited to the Journalists, as long as they in the mainstream media can control and regulate what opinion is fed to the masses.Shobhan then goes on to take Bloggers head on for pretending to be journalists who are out to replace mainstream journalism. Shobhan makes his case saying:
Learning and mastering good journalism is tough. You learn it in libraries, on flooded streets, in front of a rioting mob, in the middle of crossfire between a militia and a military, in war trenches, in the corridors of power and in the hamlets of deprivation. Sometimes, a reporter walks for miles in an area ravaged by a tsunami to get one quote from the man hanging on to a tree for a week.
Shobhan makes a good point about what good journalism is all about. Where Shobhan is completely off the mark is when he assumes that Bloggers are out to replace journalists. No, Shobhan, we are not out to replace journalists. In fact you the journalists exist for a very important reason you have outlined above. We need you to walk the ravaged sands to report the facts on the Tsunami, we need you to brave the bullets to report on the facts of war. Let there be no two views on that. It is precisely for this reason, that we consumers of your factual reportage, spend our hard earned rupees to pay you. You the reporter exist because we the consumers of your reportage are willing to pay. You dont exist in a vaccum. It is precisely because you the reporters have forgotten this fundamental equation that you see all of these wannabe journalist amongst some of the bloggers.
Shobhan’s intolerance for a diversity of opinion and an Orwellian belief that it is only the mainstream media which has a monopoly on Public Opinion is reflected in his comments
?Bloggers don’t have to worry about such inane things. They can learn history and politics from google. They can get their facts from newspapers and then slam them with their half-baked opinions.
It is precisely this arrogance in the mainstream media Shobhan that has propelled Talk Radio in the
U.S. and now Bloggers across the world to take control of public debate. We the consumers of your reportage are only interested in your facts, not your opinions. The fact that you have the walked ravaged sands makes your facts more accurate, but does little to bake your opinion any more than a blogger who has access to not just your facts but facts from every other journalist via google.? So Shobhan, we are willing to spend our rupees on you to the extent of obtaining the most accurate facts on events, but we are not willing to indulge you with lacing your reportage with your biases and prejudices, we are not necessarily interested in your Opinions. So dont you dare insult our intellect by questioning our right to form our opinions and express them by exercising our right to freedom of speech.
Shobhan’s snobbery towards Indian Bloggers is even more despicable. It is yet another reflection on the elitist pseudo-intellectual prejudices harbored by those in the mainstream media. Shobhan picks the example of one Indian blog called warfornews while passing a sweeping judgement on the entire Indian blogger community. Shobhan has clearly not spent much time reading Offstumped or other fellow bloggers O3 who have labored to bring to light news analysis and opinion that is barely attempted by the mainstream media. Case in point Offstumped’s analysis on how New York, Madrid and
London reacted to terrorists strikes in contrast to how Mumbai fared. This was an analysis that the mainstream media could have very easily presented to make the case that not enough was being done in response to the 7-11 Mumbai Blasts. Nearly 80 days on, the 7-11 blasts now appear to be solved, but the mainstream media was guilty in not asking the tough questions expected of it as was shown by Offstumped on how The Hindu dedicated an overly disproportionate portion of its editorial space to pursue its AntI-Israel political agenda? rather than ask tough questions in the aftermath of 7-11.
Shobhan makes an insidious accusation that Bloggers are for sale and that corporates are using them as mercernaries. This is a case of the kettle calling the pot black. Shobhan wants us to believe that Journalists are somehow saints, who have attained selflessness and are only motivated by the quest for truth and are in no way influenced by their interestes, biases, prejudices and motives. This assertion flies in the face of the facts brought to light by Offstumped on how The Hindu’s N. Ram had called on journalists to pursue an agenda and how The Hindu’s agenda was visible in the aftermath of the Malegaon blasts when it attempted to float a conspiracy theory against what it called Hindutva Terrorism.?
Shobhan signs off his piece paying a tribute to western bloggers while taking a dig at Indian bloggers. Shobhan’s case is that
India does not needs its Bloggers because it has a a booming and vibrant media. Shobhan calls Indian blogging organized gossip and contends its a dangerous trend.
Offstumped Bottomline to Shobhan Saxena: Shobhan you are right, Indian blogging is a dangerous trend. Dangerous not to Indian society at large but dangerous specifically to the Op-Ed Opinion Makers in the mainstream media who have arrogated to themselves the monopoly on all public opinion and debate. Indian Blogs are a repudiation of this elitism and psuedo intellectual arrogance. Free Speech in a Liberal Society is about Opinions that are neither controlled nor regulated. If you are a true believer of free speech you would have the strength of conviction to face up to these opinions rather than call them a dangerous trend.
As far as Offstumped goes be rest assured it will always abide by the Blogger’s Dharma of being honest about its Right of Center Agenda, basing its judgement and analysis on hard facts and presenting a logical view point. The success of Offstumped and other Indian Blogs will be judged not by you journalists but by the society at large which will either return to read more or ignore for the blogs to fade into oblivion. We dont need you Journalists to do that thinking for them, the people at large are quite capable of doing it themselves.
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Man these guys are sooo insecure. Is there some reason for their insecurity?
“Learning and mastering good journalism is tough. You learn it in libraries”
Most of the journalists in India are B.A pass duffers. Cannot get admission into the science and commerce streams after SSC exam – no problem get into Arts.
Take at random any 10 journalists and any 10 news bloggers (not bloggers who cover cricket and bollywood) and place their academic qualifications and marks next to each other and see the results.
In order to compete with newspapers like ToiletPaperOfIndia, offstumped has to post lots of color photos of half naked girls – seperate supplement every week. I guess that will make you a better blogger.
“Shobhan Saxena of the Times News Network has written a piece titled “Bloggers’ rubbish” which appeared on the TOI website.”
Does Shobhan read his own paper?
As for the rest, Yossarin, you did great job.
The west need bloggers because they don’t have vibrant media? – laughable. Shobhan won’t say it but is surely thinking is that westerns are better than desis – usual anti-indian (anti-brown?) bias we see every day from Air India to Times of India to NDTV!!! There is nothing new here….
http://intellibriefs.blogspot.com/2007/11/bloggers-versus-journalists-offstumped.html
They don’t like you Yossarin. You must be doing something right.
- Sri
I am a new Fan of OFFSTUMPED and this show everyday New Person is reading their blog.
Fact is MASK of our Secular,DoorMat Journalist are being Uncovered and Exposed Hence this Cry…..
The media is not rightwing. It is largely leftwing. There are those media entities which are downright cpim’s propaganda machines. Examples are The Hindu and NDTV. The rest take a soft leftwing line on sociopolical issues, because that way cowardice can be camouflaged as principle. Think about this: we have seen Islamists kill lawyers the other day. They attacked scientists and engineers earlier. But journalists are not a target of terrorists in India. How come, given that our allegedly truth-peddling hacks are fighting all kinds of dark forces?
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>>The media, generally, believes that BJP’s policies might lead to further conflict in society
>>And the media would do anything in its power to soothe those fears.
>>Ever single newspaper owner and editor would plump for the BJP the moment they are confident that the party’s actions would not lead to violence or hatred.
Dear Matt,
You need to be congratulated for avoiding melodrama and emotional statements. You have not claimed, for example, that editors and journalists in India are swayed by Mahatma Gandhi’s ideals, and that they start work every morning after garlanding pictures of Chacha Nehru. You have also not claimed that the media crawled during the Emergency and stabbed citizen in the back only because it deeply trusted Indira Gandhi, or that it sold itself to the KGB because it seriously believed that Soviet Union was the epitome of liberal democracy.
Despite not going way over the top, you show potential. You should attempt writing some tear-jerker fiction. Squared off sites maybe interested in publishing you. But meanwhile, let me give you some hometruths.
First and foremost, telling truth — what good journalism is really about — is fraught with risk. This is true throughout the world, only the degree of risk varies. In India, that risk is high, because the noble ideal of respect for truth will definitely run you into serious conflict with an existing order that evolved over several decades of deal-making between media, politicians and other stake-holders in the system, and the resulting conditioning of the media. Journalism is white-collar profession. Journalists have wives and kids to feed, and car and home loans to repay. Not many have the stomach to face conflict, and so many fall in line. Falling in line brings rewards too. Many of them rationalize their submission as “principle”. If a new-comer deviates from this established practice, he is immediately pounced upon and taught a lesson. Do you believe that Sonia Gandhi never gets bad copy only because our journos want to deny a handle to BJP? I wish you good mental health, comrade, and therefore I hope you don’t seriously believe in that snake oil you’re selling.
As a journalist anywhere in the world today, you run a risk to your life and limb if you take on Islamists. But yielding to them exposes you as a coward, especially if the tagline of your employer is “journalism of courage” etc. So you invert values, project fascists as ‘victims’, and pretend to strike a blow for this victim. That is how the ‘libaral’ game is played; not just in India — but throughout the world. At the end of a workday, you want to go back home to your family with no greater pressures on your mind than any other white collar worker would have to endure.
However in India this pretense is not only a modern-day necessity, but also a historical legacy. Precisely because a good chunk of the media is “capitalist”, and precisely because a capitalist’s most important objective is to make profit for himself, our capitalist media has fell in line for several decades now, and learned to manipulate and be manipulated by the Congress. I’m sure many of these media barons secretly wish for a BJP government, given how they have benefitted from the economic boom triggered by the NDA government. But then the ancien regime may strike back, whereas a BJP that plays fair gives no cause for fear.
Throughout this discussion, I have only been talking of the “capitalist” section of the media. It seems that you and I are in agreement on the commie section.
But I do admire your analysis because your are obviously not a commie. Keep up the good work.
Excellent write up on how shoddy journalists view bloggers….keep it up…
“BJP is seen as a party that has potential to be an extreme fascist party.”
You would not know FASCISM if it hit you in the face every morning.
Fascism was invented in Italy by Mussolini (Sonia belongs to the culture which INVENTED FASCISM). It consists of the STATE taking over the central role in society. Please read the entry on Fascism in Wikipedia (yes I know it is wikipedia – if you want we will dig up more links for you) especially the part about economic policies.
The economic policies of the party are not just an accidental detail. They are a reflection of its beliefs and values in other spheres.
It is the Congress party which has consistently had a fascist outlook toward economic policies. This was evident during the emergency.
Nationalizing industries is a key qualifying characteristic of Fascism. We all know who went around Nationalizing industries. The BJP PRIVATIZED industries. This is not just a small detail but a fundamental characteristic of their worldview.
Fascism, Nazism and Communism are all varities of socialism. Narendra Modi is a hard core capitalist.
Gujarat has been a capitalist state for about 5000 years. You would not win even municipality elections in Gujarat by spouting socialism. Similar thing is true for Punjab/Haryana.
Worship of the leader is another characterisitc of FASCISM. Remember “Indira is India and India is Indira”. Obedience to the “High Command” is another characteristic in which party? By contrast Uma Bharti practically spat at Advani and left the BJP. Guess what would happen to a Congresswala who practically spat on Sonia in public and walked out?
Seriously this kind of ignorance was acceptable in the days before the internet. This is no longer an acceptable excuse.
I am really sorry man. Use the internet more, and you will know what I mean. Origin, definitions, usage, what it means today.
And coming back to the point — this is not about proving that I am an idiot. I am saying, liberals suspect BJP of being fascist. I personally think the Hindu right wing is not yet as bad as the Muslim right wing , but essentially I put you in the same category. People who may destroy the country tomorrow.
Now, I am looking for BJP’s solutions for the problems of the country. I have not seen a positive vision yet. If you are a a Modi fan, or a BJP fan, please tell me how BJP is going to make this a peaceful, modern, free country. I am really interested.
(Anyone can can be grumpy – mullahs, mahants, right wing, left wing, minority, majority… Coming up with the solution takes work, and so far I have not seen any solution suggested other than “teach them a lesson” by both right wing and left wing.)
Hey Matt,
The world is not going to be peaceful by succumbing to the Mullah-Marxist pressure, but by fighting the twin evils. Rest assured, the bloggers are going to lead the way
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http://udayms.wordpress.com/2005/09/12/do-you-know-your-sonia/
http://udayms.wordpress.com/2007/04/25/know-sonia-p2/
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