So here we go again, BS Yeddyurappa tendered his resignation facing an imminent defeat on the floor of the house. The reason, Darth Vader Deve Gowda’s 12 conditions. The BJP rightly refused to agree to it (they wanted it on Stamped Paper, perhaps supplied by Abdul Telgi). So you have Yeddy doing a Vajpayee 10 years on. The story has an interesting sequel.
The Star of Mysore had predicted that Gowda was up to his dirty tricks once again by hobnobbing with the Congress on the side even before the BJP government fell. So you have a Gowda seeking Congress support to prop his sons HD Kumaraswamy and HD Revanna up.
Now if thats Deja Vu, remember what followed from the last time the Congress propped a Gowda.?
A full term BJP lead NDA Government.
Time alone will tell if the Karnataka State BJP follows through on what are a series of betrayals that leave the Gowda clan exposed on their greed and politics of opportunism. The BJP has the moral advantage here by refusing to cede to the Gowda’s a free hand in “public works” so they can get back to their old real estate games with the BMIC Project and other major urban projects in and around Bangalore.
A chronology of Offtumped posts on this saga
Sept 27th Call Gowda’s Bluff
Oct 4th Kumaraswamy threatens elections
Oct 4th Gowda’s Swiss Challenge
Oct 5th A Gowda Son set
Oct 28th The fault line has shifted South of the Vindhyas
Nov 6th Paying lip service to Federalism
Offstumped Bottomline:?Karnataka and Bangalore are paying a heavy price for this 3 way political divide with critical infrastructure projects on hold. How long a Congress Gowda?tango will last is anyone’s guess, but whenever elections?are called it is time for the people of Karnataka to deliver a decisive?2-way verdict. If that means consigning Deve Gowda to the dustbin of Karnataka politics, so be it.
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Serves the BJP right.The length to which they were prepared to go to accommodate the ‘humble farmer’ and his family is ridiculous.This type of behaviour does not suit a rightist party.Yedi even could not use the platform provided by the TV channels today to expose the Gowdas.He just blabbered along……
Prasanna – he just has to hope and pray the congress cuts a deal with gowda to give him more moral high ground. Overall bda news for karnataka especially bangalore.
BJP’s political wisdom is no where to be seen. I agree with Prasanna, the greed for forming a Govt. shown by the BJP is a disgrace.
- Sri
Srirangan – rewind back to the 13 day vajpayee government, its longevity was always in doubt but it breached a glass celing and a fault line of political untouchability. Same here for the south of vindhyas. Vajpayee was able to translate those 13days to a moral high ground, big question oif yeddy can muster as much credibility to lay claim to the same.
How kashmir integrated into india and how congress cheated indians
http://www.kashmir-information.com/ConvertedKashmir/Chapter19.html
Well, on the one hand it has breached a certain moral barrier, even though post-elections it has still received the worst deal. On the other hand, it might have been better to just go in for dissolving the assembly…what the question mark now is, does Congress want to go with Gowda and burn itself again. Just when I thought coalition politics could not fall to any lower point in India, ranging from the propping up of someone like Madhu Koda or Goa where a handful of MLA’s can resign in a fortnight and create a new government, now we have the Gowda clan, showing us whatever dire possibilities exist, and hence we will probably see more regional parties exercising such behavior.
Janpar – These things go in cycles. We had the same tail wagging the dog at the center culminating in the gowda and gujral period. We saw a return to mainstream parties leading the coalition. With the left literally rendering the Cabinet system irrelevant there is bound to be a backlash. How this backlash translates into tangible political change is anyone’s guess ? Unless the BJP and Congress make common cause no constitutional change is possible. So in all likelihood we will see decisive verdicts in some key states which have been at the receiving end of the tail of wagging the dog (e.g. Bihar, UP). How it all adds up into a national verdict my guess is as good as yours ?
with yeddy complaining of black magic
the bjp is headed downhill unless they shut him up before he does anymore damage to himself and to this party.
i see advantage congress here. unless congress repeats the same mistake that bjp did – that of joining hands with deve gowda.
deve gowda will be thrown in the dust bin in next elections, no doubt, but will bjp be the direct benefactor? nah.
bjp won more seats coz of a 3 way split last time. it’s likely that the anti-bjp vote will consolidate behind the congress and whatever “sympathy” vote bjp is expected to get will be neutralized.
bjp has shot itself in the foot by aligning with this disgraceful person in the first place.
bjp could have played the “sacrifice” card, but somehow bjp is not good at using the media. in fact it does the exact opposite.
as a bjp supporter i feel let down.
expose ndtv – interesting point, not sure if the vote in karnataka is a for or anti-bjp vote just yet, the issue maybe far more complex than that. karnataka much like UP is still going through the motions of figuring out a stable political configuration, the present instability is merely reflection of that. What the end state will likely be remains to be seen ?
as usual I disagree with the rest!
BJP, I think had no option but to go ahead and form the govt.
If people vote on ’stabilty’, Congress would have gained regardless of whether BJP went to the people with or without forming the half baked govt. Better use the opportunity to reach a minor goal of forming a govt. (A taboo for many Muslims and some secularists)
The advantage of going to the people with the betrayal tag (without forming the govt) may not have been significant. Besides going to the people with JDS intact would have derailed the whole Lingayat + Vokkaliga alliance which the BJP planned two years ago. i.e. attracting Vokkaliga vote to the BJP.
Congress would have definitely supported a JDS government (M P Prakash etc) to milk the anti-incumbency factor in its favor. In that scenario, BJP besides incurring further anti-incumbency at the constituency level (82 mlas) would have also not accomplished the goal of eliminating JDS from the equation.
In the final analysis, as Karnataka goes to elections, BJP can still use the betrayal tag, ask for a clear mandate (Atal 99, Nitish 05) and hope to tap the vokkaliga vote thru defections from JDS. Congress ofcourse will use the stability and anti-incumbency platform. JDS may be left without a platform. Not a bad scenario for Karnataka.
Yes, it might have been better for the BJP to let the Congress and JD(S) patch-up, but I would have to also say there is no guarantee that would have been the case.
Anyhow, some media is reporting that most of the JD(S) MLA’s were furious with the Gowda family at this point. Its time to dissolve the assembly and go in for fresh elections, I think along with most prominent JD(S) leaders ditching the party and pretty much all non-Vokkaliga’s (And some of that group as well) departing, it can be decimated as it should have been back in 1999 for good.
Somehow I sense a difference of opinion between father and son Gowda. The machinations seem to be the handiwork of the ex-PM mainly.
That apart, I was sorely disappointed with Yeddy when he appeared on a TV debate last night and spoke about black magic and stuff. Only gave the Congress representative to ridicule him on his face and talk about people still being in 18th century etc.
Given BJP’s experience (or lack of it) at converting penalty kicks into goals, I doubt very much they will be able to make much headway in the number of seats at the next hustings!
I think this BJP-JD(S) debacle and imposition of President’ rule is a good stop-gap arrangement for Karnataka in the given circumstances.
After this highly public tussle, it is almost certain that JD(S) ranks will break to align with either the Congress or the BJP.
We can now look forward to a more stable govt in Karnataka provided by either Congress or BJP after the elections !
BJP’s greed for power has given us a new adage:
“Twice bitten, once shy.”
The truly sad part is that if the same players are elected representatives in the election that will probably happen there’s a good chance the same shenanigans will happen all over again
RS:
“BJP’s greed for power has given us a new adage:
“Twice bitten, once shy.”
Somehow I fail to understand by what logic does it look like BJP’s “Greed for Power”?
1) They were the one who won the highest number of seats in the elections. Despite this, in the name of keeping out a “communal” party, the “secular” parties got together to give the state a hopeless govt. The BJP sat in the Opposition – no “Greed for Power” witnessed in the BJP, but definitely in the Congress!
2) Then the JDS MLAs saw they were getting a raw deal, egged on son Gowda to negotiate with the BJP. The two parties got into a 20-20 arrangement. Since the bulk of the JDS MLAs were in this, the BJP decided to come in. There was a proper arrangement drawn up. Despite having the higher number of seats, the BJP agreed for the second innings, giving the first innings to the JDS – again no “Greed for Power” witnessed in the BJP, but definitely in the JDS.
3) Finally, when the time came to honour its commitment to the BJP, the JDS which had enjoyed 20 months of power solely because of the BJP, now ditched the BJP. All this, thanks to father Gowda’s hobnobbing with the Congress, who may have tempted him with the Minings portfolio, which otherwise would have gone to the BJP as per the original arrangement. The BJP decided to keep away from all the dirty proceedings and the ministers resigned – again no “Greed for Power” witnessed in the BJP, but definitely in the JDS.
4) Finally, after a month of hemming and hawing, when father Gowda wasnt able to make any headway with the Congress, the son Gowda decided to take matters in his hands (since there were signs of a split in the party), and went again to the BJP and gave an affidavit saying he supported them. The BJP, despite being skeptical about the longetivity of this support, decided to go ahead since:
a) it would have looked like an arrogant move not to take the support of a coalition partner even after he gives an affidavit.
b) they would have been accused of inflicting elections on the state, when they could have avoided it by taking the support given by the JDS.
Does this make it look like “Greed for Power”?
By this logic, any political party fighting an election displays a “Greed for Power”!
5) When despite giving an affidavit, the JDS puts unreasonable conditions, the BJP does not give in, choosing instead to let go of power, rather than compromise on the corrupt Gowda’s demands. HERE, INFACT, IT IS THE TOTAL ABSENCE OF “GREED FOR POWER” DISPLAYED. ELSE, THEY WOULD HAVE AGREED TO GOWDA’S CONDITIONS IN ORDER TO STICK TO POWER, IF THEY WERE INDEED GREEDY!
Can RS please explain his statement?
This “shameless” “greed for power” accusations is being seen in many media discussions as well. It is like branding the rape victim in a rape case as a criminal!
Ravindra,
There is no need for any explanations. Action speaks more than words. Btw, this was not the first time BJP’s greediness for power was on display.
Maybe Yeddy should have said that his “Inner Voice” told him to resign and perform “Tyaag”
RS,
Use of idioms seems to be your favorite discussion style. I’m afraid I cannot understand the link here. Action speaks more than words. Which action? Which words?
I have made 5 points in my earlier comment above. Can I take it that you are unable to explain, hence you say “there is no need for any explanation?” as a single reply to all those points?
Well said Ravindra,
RS and many in media are used to not getting the logic and facts right and just stick to their convenient and long nourished opinion. They don’t want to use their mind to get the logic right with a fear that they may have to part with their loved opinion that they have nourished for so long.
Well I was expecting more from blogs than what people like RS is replying to.I thought people here are educated and are in a position to look the sides of coins.
Alas !
Who is communal? Congress, Communists or BJP
Posted by truecongresspolitics on October 18, 2007
I love and agree to both of you.It is the quality of Hindu dharma only that it gives regard to others way of worship and tolerates other’s view-piont and allows an open debate for every issue. Similar is not the case of others.
1. There are nearly 52 Muslim countries. Show one Muslim country, which provides Haj subsidy.
2. Show one Muslim country where Hindus are extended the special rights that Muslims are accorded in India?
3. Show one Muslim country, which has a Non-Muslim as its President or Prime Minister.
4. Show one country where the 85% majority craves for the indulgence of the 15% minority.
5. Show one Mullah or Maulvi who has declared a ‘fatwa’ against terrorists.
6. Hindu-majority Maharashtra, Bihar, Kerala, Pondicherry, etc. have in the past elected Muslim as CMs; Can you ever imagine a Hindu becoming the CM of Muslim – majority J&K?
7. Today Hindus are 85%. If Hindus are intolerant, how come Masjids and Madrassas are thriving? How come Muslims are offering Namaz on the road? How come Muslims are proclaiming 5 times a day on loudspeakers that there is no God except Allah?
8. When Hindus gave to Muslims 30% of Bharat for a song, why should Hindus now beg for their sacred places at Ayodhya, Mathura and Kashi?
9. Why temple funds are spent for the welfare of Muslims and Christians, when they are free to spend their money in any way they like?
10. When uniform is made compulsory for school children, why there is no Uniform Civil Code for citizens?
11. In what way, J&K is different from Maharashtra, Tamil Nadu or Uttar Pradesh, to have article 370?
12. Why Gandhiji supported Khilafat Movement (nothing to do with our freedom movement) and what in turn he got?
13. Why Ghandiji objected to the decision of the cabinet and insisted that Somnath Temple should be reconstructed out of public fund, not government funds. When in January 1948 he pressurized Nehru and Patel to carry on renovation of the mosques of Delhi at government expenses?
14. If Muslims & Christians are minorities in Maharashtra, UP, Bihar, etc., are Hindus not minorities in J&K, Mizoram, Nagaland, Arunachal Pradesh, Meghalaya etc? Why are Hindus denied minority rights in these states?
15. Do you admit that Hindus have problems that need to be recognized? Or do you think that those who call themselves Hindus are themselves the problem?
16. Why post-Godhra is blown out proportion, when no one talks of the ethnic cleansing of 4 lakh Hindus from Kashmir?
17. In 1947, when India was partitioned, the Hindu population in Pakistan was about 24%. Today it is not even 1%. In 1947, the Hindu population in East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) was 30%. Today it is about 7%. What happened to the missing Hindus? Do Hindus have human rights?
18. In contrast, in India, Muslim population has gone up from 10.4% in 1951 to about 14% today; whereas Hindu population has come down from 87.2% in 1951 to 85% in 1991. Do you still think that Hindus are fundamentalists?
19. Do you consider that – Sanskrit is communal and Urdu is secular, Mandir is Communal and Masjid is Secular, Sadhu is Communal and Iman is Secular, BJP is communal and Muslim league is Secular, Dr. Praveen Bhai Togadia is ANTI-NATIONAL and Bhukari is Secular, Vande Matharam is communal and Allah-O-Akbar is secular, Shriman is communal and Mian is secular, Hinduism is Communal and Islam is Secular, Hindutva is communal and Jihadism is secular, and at last, Bharat is communal and Italy is Secular?
20. When Christian and Muslim schools can teach Bible and Quran, Why Hindus cannot teach Gita or Ramayan?
21. Abdul Rehman Antuley was made a trustee of the famous Siddhi Vinayak Temple in Prabhadevi, Mumbai Can a Hindu – say Mulayam or Laloo – ever become a trustee of a Masjid or Madrassa?
22. Dr. Praveenbhai Togadia has been arrested many time on flimsy grounds, has the Shahi Imam of Jama Masjid, Delhi, Ahmed Bhukari been arrested for claiming to be an ISI agent and advocating further partition of Bharat?
23. When Haj pilgrims are given subsidy, why Hindu pilgrims to Amarnath, Sabarimalai & Kailash Mansarovar are taxed?
24. Afzal Guru,attacker on Parliament,isnot being put to hanging inspite of repeated otders of supreme court?Could he be spared in any muslim or christian country for the same crime? No terrorist has yet been hanged.
truecongressworstpolitics: Excellent points. Such questions have repeatedly been asked, but no replies have ever been given.
One comment that I had heard long ago was that at the time of partition, India had agreed for a secular state and not a Hindu state, based on which Muslims had stayed back. Now India cannot go back on this assurance. Also, regarding J&K, there are different versions about the treaty of accession signed by a Hindu king of a Muslim majority populace. Recently, Farooq Abdullah has also let loose his mouth on the topic!
Ravindra,
I always consider others to be more intelligent than me. So I presumed u to know everything on BJP – its ups and downs. But it looks like u r just like any other BJP supporter – suffering from selective amenesia. Thats why u r asking me “Which action? Which words?”. Why dont u take ur time and figure it out for urself and tell me if u find.
I dont think any of ur points need any explanation.
RS,
I’m not as intelligent as you may think, hence I am unable to understand which action you are referring to! All I tried to do in my earlier comment, was to lay down the sequence of events ever since the last Karnataka elections. Nowhere in that sequence does it appear that BJP has displayed a “greed for power”. If at all, it has been the others, for whom you dont seem to have any words of shame!
If in the above sequence of events, I have left out some event (due to the “selective amnesia” which you think I suffer from), then please fill in the gaps (which you seem to be avoiding from attempting).
As regards me being a BJP supporter, you make it sound as though its a crime being one – hence you can just dismiss that person off without offering any explanations for your rhetoric.
That apart, I’m not a blind supporter of any party – for instance, right on this page, in an earlier comment, I have criticised Yeddy’s hallucinations about black magic and stuff, which I suspect, a hardcore supporter of the BJP might not do!
http://www.ibnlive.com/news/modi-too-arrogant-for-hometown-but-has-full-support/52996-3-2.html
Yossarin, did you read Kulkarni’s piece in Sunday IE? Sonia’s betrayal and how Gowda fell for it. It’s becoming increasing clear, Sonia is on par of Indira at being the most corrupt Indian leader ever had….
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