Offstumped has been analyzing the chronology of attacks of mass terror and was surprised to find a strong correlation between the politics of Muslim Appeasement practiced by the Congress under Sonia Gandhi and the incidence of Mass Terror in Congress ruled States most which under the watch of the Manmohan Singh lead UPA Government.
First August 2003 when co-ordinated attacks in 2 taxis killed 52 people in Mumbai.
It must be noted Mumbai was then ruled by the NCP-Congress combine.
The Asia Times carried an interesting piece on 28 Aug 2003 where former Mumbai Police Chief Ribeiro attributed the failure of the Mumbai Police to pre-empt the attacks on how gathering intelligence has failed to remain a priority for the Mumbai Police. The piece also blames internal sabotage when Syed Khwaja Yunus Khwaja Ayub, a key accused in the first Ghatkopar bus blast, escaped from police custody while he was being taken to Aurangabad, a town in the interior of Maharashtra, for inquiry.
To understand how Mumbai Police went slow on intelligence gathering especially related to Muslim Fundamentalist modules in Mumbai consider this story in the TOI on 4 Dec 2002 on how state minorities commission, civil rights activists and mohalla committee workers had cautioned the police against conducting combing operations, random checks and make preventive arrests.
Then consider this advice from Ribeiro to the NCP-Congress lead Maharashtra Government on 26 Aug 2003 on how Muslim Communities should not be allowed to shelter fundamentalist elements.
“If terrorists do not get support from their respective communities they will not survive. Even tacit support keeps these outfits alive.”
Then consider this compelling piece by B. Raman on 29 Aug 2003 on how political interference around Muslim Sensitivities had hampered the Mumbai Police from effectively investigating the incidents from December 2002 in Mumbai.
Next the October 2005 attacks in Delhi on the eve of Diwali that killed 62 people
2005 was an eventful year in terms of Muslim Appeasement by the Congress from the move to provide Muslim Quota in Andhra to the Aligarh Muslim University Minority status issue as well as the Imrana episode. But what stands particularly out is how the Congress at the highest levels diluted what little Anti-Terror Infrastructure existed in the country in the name of Muslim Appeasement.
Consider this story in the Gulf Times on 30 May 2005 when Congress President Sonia Gandhi addressing 28th All India General Session of the Jamiat Ulema-i-Hind (JUH) a national body of Muslim Clerfy said this while being critical of the BJP’s record
the Prevention of Terrorism Act (POTA), which the community had viewed as anti-Muslim had been withdrawn and those arrested under its provisions had been released
This pretty much sets the stage for the series of mass terror attacks in 2005 and 2006.
The next major attack comes in March 2006 in Varnasi that kills 20 people coming closely on the heels of heightened Muslim Mobilization over a range of political issues in Uttar Pradesh ranging from Danish Cartoons on Prophet Mohammad, the Bush visit to India and the Iran Nuclear issue. This article by Dilip Padgaonkar in the Daily News Analysis on 15th March titled “The end of political correctness” sums it up best
Liberal opinion regarded the angry demonstrations staged during the presidential visit as a flagrant attempt to give pan-Islamic solidarity precedence over the national interest. Against this backdrop, the terrorist attacks in Varanasi proved to be the proverbial last straw. Liberal opinion was convinced that the upsurge of Muslim radicalism, loudly claiming its affinity with the ummah, and the cachet of respectability it received from certain ‘secular’ political formations, had created an altogether novel situation for the country. It portended an eruption of communal tensions which would slow down economic growth and damage the nation’s security interests.
An unequivocal affirmation by the High Priest of Liberal Media on the correlation between Muslim Appeasement by “secular” political formations, viz UPA, and Terrorist Attacks.
Varnasi is followed by the 7-11 Mumbai Attacks, Malegaon Blasts, Samjhauta Blasts and the Hyderabad Blasts.
The deliberate soft pedalling of anti-terror operations post 7-11 under the pretext of not alienating Muslims is well reported. This Times of India story titled ” Dont alienate Muslims: PM, Sonia” on 24th Sept 2006 says it all.
The Mumbai Police’s handling of the 7-11 blasts investigation ends becoming a matter of media vigilantism by the likes of Jyoti Punwani, Javed Anand and others taking up cudgels on behalf of the terror suspects accusing the police of unjustified harassment. It is rather strange that in none of the scores of media opinion pieces by these activists are the 7-11 victims or their families mentioned once nor is the question of bringing to justice those responsible for the blasts ever raised.
But then of course we are treated to the Sachar fishing expedition during this period and most recently the Prime Minister’s insomnia on the Haneef episode.
Offstumped Bottomline: There exists a strong correlation between the politics of Muslim Appeasement practiced by the Congress when in power in both States and at the Center and Attacks of Mass Terror.
The Conspiracy of Silence and Doublespeak on the Congress’ Delinquency in dealing with Mass Terror has been aided and abetted by a certain kind of Media Vigilantism that bares its face only on issues like the Srikrishna Commission Report and Police Harassment of 7-11 suspects.
It is time Manmohan Singh and Sonia Gandhi were held to account for communalizing and diluting the Anti Terror Infrastructure.
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This correlation is not surprising.Appeasement legitimizes Islamist grievance-mongering, and thereby leads to rationalization of the killing of innocents by terrorists as well. Any number of marxist-islamist demagogues have been justifying terrorist killings as a ‘natural’ reaction to gujarat riots, but witness the strange fact: gujarat itself has not seen any terrorist attacks barring akshardham.
We shall forget the politicians for some time.. Especially the Congress variety to whom everything pro Indian is communal and everthing anti Indian is secular. Let us now start questioning the media.. NDTV, CNN IBN etc who support the Congress view through subtle manipulation of discussions.
Has any body asked Teetla Setlvad why she thinks Mumbai Blasts are a reaaction of muslims to Hindu atrocities and Gujarat riots is not a reaction of the Hindus to the burning of Hindus in Godhra? I want Ms Burkha Dutt to ask this question the next time she puts Teetla on the stage.
I believe you are taking a very sectarian view. It is not about the Congress or the BJP. How was Advani better than Shivraj Patil? Except for dreaming about being next Sardar or the PM in waiting. POTA or no POTA, if such incidents in the NDA’s rule were to be counted, Mr. Advani would have resigned many times over.
The Parliament itself was attacked in their time. What was their response and what did it end up in? A humiliating slap on the face of the nation.
What happened at Kandahar? By your yardstick, the whole cabinet should have been hanged then.
I have as little faith in Advani, Rajnath, Sushma and RSS as in Patil, Arjun and their ilk. They are all from the same breed. Now, the saffron nationalists act in cohort with the commies so that the government is crippled further, to reduce its capacity to act against terrorism etc. Is it all in national interest, I ask you?
Replacing one set of faces by another only amounts to shifting of chairs on the deck of the Titanic. We need a more indepth study, including sociological and international factors, rather than being guided by pathological distaste for one set over another.
I am sorry to read such a partisan and poorly researched piece. A more balanced, saner and thoughtful view is the need of the hour.
The media it seems has not taken kindly to the verdict handed down by the TADA court in the Bombay blasts case. Instead of expressing satisfaction over the fact that the law of the land has at long last caught up with the perpetrators of the heinous act, sections of the media have once again started the sinister game of playing on the sentiments of the Muslim community by invoking the 1992-93 riots. A completely false picture is being sought to be projected by selectively highlighting incidents to suit political ends. Conveniently forgetting their own role in instigating the riots these sections of the media are now demanding that the Hindutva parties should brought to justice.
That the media did play a role in instigating the riots should be clear from the following passage from one of the secular media’s most respected journalists
“What caused such hatred? Is it Ayodhya again? Or is it the fact that ever since the Babri Masid was demolished the average ‘secular’ hack and politician has led the Muslim community to believe that the demolition of the mosque symbolized the end of Indian secularism? It unfortunately continues to be portrayed that way with some politicians of the Left going so far as to suggest that December 6,1992 was the ‘darkest day’ in the Indian democratic history. This is rubbish. There have been much darker days when ordinary people have been brutally massacred by vengeful mobs driven by communal hatred. Surely, even the murder of one innocent person is more important than the demolition of a structure made of brick and mortar? It has, alas, never been looked at this way with the result that the word Ayodhya triggers of such an irrational reaction among Muslims that they fail to see the bigger picture.â€
Mission demolition—Tavlin Singh, Afternoon Despatch and Courier, 7/3/2002
The media has therefore much to answer for in the riots cases. It is high time the intellectual thugs who are more interested in playing deadly games under the guise of secularism rather than securing justice for the victims of the riots are exposed. The media’s dirty role in instigating the riots should be probed and the purveyors of lies and falsehood should be severely dealt with.
Regards
Vivek L. Dev
P.S. The article quoted was written in the context of the Godhra outrage and subsequent events, but insofar as it talks about post Babri developments the quote eloquently summorizes the general culpability of the secular media.
Another lame piece after a pathetic post (the previous one).
I don’t understand what you propose to do.. lock up all the people and beat them till they say what we want to hear or what? I don’t understand this hankering for a police state! Freedom seeking people should be aggrieved by all these tada, pota, etc..
when what we really have here is the failure of the police and intelligence establishment prevent such incidents, lack of political will (across all the parties) to reform the same.. failure to solve the previous terrorist attacks except blaming everytime on sm terror group without any subsequent action to nab them or even if they do, they cant obtain enough evidence to convict them!
Ching Chong – You are not paying attention to facts or my earlier post. . When CNN-IBN not Offstumped put that chronology out there why did it omit Akshardham, Khandahar and Dec 13 ? It omitted them because we are talking Attacks of Mass Terror by unnamed groups with no attributable motive inflicting mass casualities through serial bombs in highly crowded public places.
Akshardham, 13th Dec and Khandahara were not attacks of mass terror. They were fedayeen type attacks where the attackers flaunted their political identity to attack targets of high political value to make a political statement.
All attacks of mass terror by unknown groups with no apparent political motive have happened in Congress ruled states and 99% of the time during the UPA rule. What is all the more chilling is they have all been preceeded by conscious attempts to communalize or dilute the anti-terror infrastructure in the name of Muslim Sensitivities.
No sociological or international causes can be attributed to unnamed groups with no apparent political objectives causing mass casualities in public spaces with military like co-ordination and precision.
If you dont see the distinction between attacks of mass terror by unknown groups with no apparent political motive and fedayeen type attacks with a clear political agenda by known outfits then I have no quarrel with you, you are just taken away by your biases.
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Jujung – No where in this post have I argued for reinstating POTA or TADA. The argument is simple if you find flaws in your anti-terror infrstructure fix them make them more effective but when you dilute them give them a communal color and then all together get rid of them or go slow on them you are neither helping the Minority Community nor Anti-Terrorism. This should be as much of concern to Muslims as to anyone else because when those mass attacks are triggered they dont distinguish between religions everyone dies.
Politics of appeasement is not practised by Congress alone.It is practised by NDA when in power and also regional parties.It is very important to educate ordinary Muslim masses about the types of politicians they elect like MIM and the vested interest these politicians have in keeping them ignorant.The root cause will be found in SAUDI ARABIA AND WE MUST OPENLY OPPOSE THIS NATION AND ITS wahabism. See how even Musharaff is beholden to this nation about Nawaz sheriff and he holding on only by the support of Saudi arabi and not US dollars. The terrorist action emenating from Bangladesh and ISI are having approval from OIC which is headed by SaudiArabia. Why Madani of coimbatore blasts got released due to DMK and Achudanandan?His killing of a jailor is condoned.
I expect the terrorist strike will be against JUSTICE KODE and also some Mosque to creat communal distrurbances.
Jujum’s “argument” boils down to letting terrorists strike without let or hindrance. Anti-terrorism laws exist in many liberal democracies. Their mere existence does not make a police state. For a police state to exist, there has to be an a totalitarian ideology — such as nazism, fascim, marxism or islamic theocracy — ruling at the top. Communist china is a police state, as also islamist pakistan. Cuba, USSR and nazi Germany are other infamous police states.
The terrorists’ objective precisely is to create such police states by destroying liberal democracies. Anti-terrorist laws in that sense are meant to thwart creation of police states. Proper vigilance, intelligence-gathering and policing undiluted by votebank politics also preserves our democracy and avoids the spectre of police states.
Jujun’s argument is not an argument against police state. It is an argument in favor of it, and in favor of letting terrorists kill even more innocent people. I kind of admire his cheek in advancing it soon after those that should be most pleased by it have killed 40 people barely 24 hours ago.
Yossarin:
There is a difference between causative and correlative facts (although some facts themselves are disputable). You hold Manmohan and Sonia accountable. hang them by the next tree, for all I care. Answer me, who replaces them ? Advani, Fernandes and Rajnath. What will you do with them? Have they been punished for their past deeds? Do you want to replace one set of power without accountability (commies) with another khaki shorts clad fossilised old foggies (RSS)?
You are altering the context of the debate and getting unrelated and tangential arguments into it. It is easy to find faults(like I am doing with you) than propose something constructive. This is what I ask of you – What are you proposing? BJP in power (opposing nuclear deal, guided by RSS which is totally anti-economic reform, Rajnath Singh as PM and end up having another attack on parliament or Kargil or Kandahar)? Answer me, I pray.
ching chong’s (il)logic is weird. It is that the ruling dispensation should not be held accountable for failing to protect the lives of innocents, and should not be condemned or even held answerable for relaxing policing on communal, votebank politics because … hold your breath… because…
“There is no alternative!”
(accordimg to right or wrong, that is).
The concept of democratic accountability seems alien to ching’s ethos.
If this argument is taken to its logical conclusion, we should not have had any elections the last couple of decades, because we have had one lousy government after another. This is an argument against democracy, and against holding governments acoountable (because one is enamored[of one political,party or another). If indian voters had been as illogical and politicized as the chings of the world are, they would not have voted out an indira gandhi for letting lose fasism, or an advani for bungling in kandahar.
The alternative to a failing, communal government is another government. The voters decide it . Not chimg’s or ndtv’s or hindustan times’ politics.
You are living in a timewarp, ching. Wake up and smell the coffee. It is the congress which is ruling now, not the bjp. Your intent seems to be to beat drums for the congress and left mindlessly, while bashing the bjp mindlessly (just like MSM). That is what partisanship is, Holding a government, regardless of which party is running it, to account as yossarin is doing, is not.
“The terrorists’ objective precisely is to create such police states by destroying liberal democracies.”
Oldtimer- I am in perfect agreement with your statement above but I am baffled that you draw a different conclusion that the so called anti-terrorism law(POTA) is not a step towards a police state! Why is detention of an individual without filing charges for six months not an assault on liberty?? We lose in the battle against terrorism by enacting precisely such acts. A perfect recipe for civil war.
Yossarin – You still haven’t answered clearly
1.why repealing POTA is an appeasement act and not a case of protection of civil liberties?
2.why is taking action on srikrishna commission’s report an appeasement act and not a case of delivering justice and reforming police?
Dishonest attribution of motives doesnt answer the questions. And strong posturing don’t solve the issues.
Oldtimer – Holding the govt reponsible is perfect! but hold them responsible for the wrongs they did- in this case, reforming law and order enforcement, intelligence agencies, separation of politicians and police, and an efficient legal system. In these aspects, neither the BJP nor the congress showed any resourcefulness. And the purported anti-terrorism solutions supported by you aid only the terrorists and not the common people.
Yossarin – your frustation is showing now, and I think it arises from a pretty hopeless situation for BJP, given that Congress, Dr.Singh & Sonia may be back in power once again after the next polls !
No matter how much you try by presenting “facts” to justify your tirade against the Congress, Dr.Singh & Sonia – you will not be able to change the opinion of media & intellectuals. Masses anyway have a mind of their own without reading blogs like these.
A Congress-led govt bound by compulsions of coalition politics may not be the desired solution, but BJP is anyway not an option at this stage – given the selfishness and lack of honesty displayed by its leaders in their political conduct practically on every matter in recent times, be it the Presidential elections or the Indo-US nuclear deal. BJP’s current crop of frusted leaders have to make way for new dynamic leaders with a sense of purpose before it has any chance of coming back to power again.
Yossarin,
Here’s a very interesting fact:
A friend of mine just pointed out that this latest attack took place exactly on the 100TH DAY after the 18th May Mecca Masjid bombings. He got the info from the Eenadu newspaper.
I dont know what significance this has.
at a time when scores of innocent people have been murdered in cold blood by terrorists, the priority ought to be in discussing how to prod this disastrous government into action to prevent more such killings, it ought NOT to be how to prevent a hypothetical innocent person from being hypothetically incarcerated by POTA.
I am not surprised that jujun is baffled. A person prone to diverting issues away from the fact of regular killings by terrorists (and the government’s failure in stopping them) to the fictiin of a police state brought allegedly by laws is muddle-headed, to put it charitably. At a deeper level, it indicates malaise: a contempt for innocent life, and an endorsement of real police states run by islamists and marxists.
Freedom seeking people should be aggrieved by all these tada, pota, etc..
What nonsense! Freedom loving people should be worried that there is no tough legal mechanism to deal with terrorism. What sort of a freedom is it if you lose a limb in a terror attack and see the perpetrators punished after 14 YEARS?!
Right or Wrong
You have a great sense of humour if not anything else
You are psephology skills are amazing ,probaly rivalled only by eminent psephologists based out of CSDS
I think you should immediately join forces with the Spinmaster Rajdeep Sardesaiand his accomplice Y Yadav and conduct one of those State of the Nation poll predictably predicting Congress sweep.And only end up with mud on the face when the results actually come
Probably the only electoral battles that your Congress party consistently wins are one usually hosted in CNN IBN Studios-the opinion polls and exit polls
oldtimer,
I do not hold a very high opinion of the Congress, but neither do I have one for the BJP (which is the only alternative that is available). This government has come to power by democratic means, it was not thru the wishes of any news channel or newspaper or blog. If they are not doing the right things, they will be thrown out at the next elections. The same happened to BJP last time.They goofed up on all fronts – security, defence, economy – and were booted out by the public.
In a democratic society, who decides that the government should go – the print media, news channels, these blogs? The parliament duly elected by its people is supposed to do it. Also, the basic premise of democracy is ‘rule by the majority safeguarding the rights of the minority’. Let’s not forget that.
If you look at the situation dispassionately, throwing the country into another elections is not the wisest thing to propose. The BJP will be worse. I can only remember what Mr. Advani said that home ministers do not resign because of terrorist acts. We still have a majority in the parliament and I am holding the office at the pleasure of the PM. His own words have come to haunt him and his followers.
Or is it that you and Yossarin believe that ‘Show me the man. I’ll show you the rule’. what we need is to get our law & order systems and intelligence setup right, not get back draconian laws that curb the basic liberties in a free state.
Let’s get something serious and insightful here. The post is so warped and vicious in its undercurrents without proposing anything worthwhile or practical to implement. When we need sanity and calmness, we have people indulging in raising the emotional pitch. We are all entitled to our likes and dislikes, but the larger interest of the society must always be foremost. This is just not done!
dear chingo chang/righto wrong etc,
Let me first reiterate a point that you are pretty desperate to shift focus away from:
Terrorists — whom you want to protect from laws like POTA — have just struck again, for the umpteenth time. On last count, they planted as many as 22 bombs in as many places in the city of hyderabad. Fortunately only 3 of them exploded, killing only 45 people. Terrorists and their sponsors must have been disappointed, i don’t know about you.
Yossarin’s meticulous collection of facts shows that terrorist attacks over the last several years have taken place mostly in congress ruled states. The same party is in power at the center. These inept governments have not only presided over the worst terrorist killings perpetrated on Indian soil, they have also conaiderably weakened our ability to fight terrorists through their political, communally motivated interference in police functioning and investigations.
Again, i don’t know[ about sympathizers of terrorists, but i definitely expect ordinary citizens of the counrty to demand accountability from their governments, which is what yossarin is doing.
Use what advani said or did to score your brownie points, but then again, are you rip van winkle? Have you been snoring away last three plus years? Let me alert you to a vital fact you seem to be blissfully ignorant of in your propaganda zeal: at this moment, the congress is ruling this country with the help of commies. Actually it doesnt matter which party is in power, except perhaps to political animals. The government of the day is responsible for what happens under its rule.
Have you heard of a notion called democratic accountability? Or is it as alien to you as the concept of protecting citizens from acts of terrorism?
by the way, i am glad you mentioned the need to protect minorities. Do you know that there is yet another congress run government which is failing in its duty to protect minorities? Judging by your approach, i’d be surprised if you know it. Two hundred thousand of kashmir’s religious minorities are rotting in refugee camps. The gameplan of terrorists — for whom you advocate protection from POTA –is to let them rot and make sure they never return to their original homes. The government is happily playing along. In fact, it has made shariat the basis of law-making in kashmir. Forget about pota, not even the protection of civilized, secular laws for kashmir’s minorities, only shariat.
It is interesting to know that you are making a lot of noise about hypothetical police states, while very conveniently ignoring the theocracies in yiur midst.
Let me reiterate, just so you don’t fly off on another handle to shift focus: in yet another congress ruled state, yet another terrorist attack, and 45 people murdered. No skin off your nose, i know, but the question is: do we have a government?
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Oldtimer,
You haven’t answered my question at all. We can both cry hoarse with our arguments – chest thumping and all included. My point still remains the same. Did BJP do anything different for its 6 years in power (including for hindus in Kashmir)? How is it better suited than Congress to govern the country? Am I advocating choosing the lesser of the two evils? No, certainly not. What I ask of you enlightened guys is the real serious alternative to this mess – changing faces doesn’t help.
I again beg of you – What is the alternative that you are proposing? Or is it criticism for criticism’s sake!
Finally, do we have some sensibilities as human beings and nationalists to keep the emotional pitch low at these times. I fail to understand this. Let reason prevail over emotion.
Yossarin, the timing and the content of this post is not suited to the occasion. It demands saner voices, lowering of emotions and a quest for finding suitable alternatives. The tone and tenor of your post may lead to greater eyeballs but a large number of commentators actually indulge in muslim-bashing and raising the emotions further. Not done, I expect greater sensitivity and concern from you!
Prasanna – Thank you for complimenting my psephology skills !
Incendently, you should also read “Weekend Musings – 123 and Still Counting”, the blog posted by Yosarrin on 25th August – which more or less comes to the same conclusion !
Your tirade against reputed Media organisations like CNN-IBN is understandable. You must learn to accept realities on the ground…
chingo chang/righto wrong,
Indeed, the need of the hour is sanity and that is why i find your interjections extremely offensive and uncivilized. 42 people have been just murdered by terrorists and what is the most important thing to do at this moment according to you? It is to beat drums for the government, try and desperately shift focus to abusing a party that is not in government, engage in hindu-baiting, and try and thought-police citizens to not demand accountability from their effete, inactive government which, far from protecting lives, is wittingly or unwittingly helping terrorists take out lives.
I have some incovenient info for you, though, given how thick-skinned you are, i doubt that you will feel embarrassed. Even the media is feeling the heat of citizens’ contempt. Indian express, a congress mouthpiece, is forced to acknowledge today that the government’s communalization of policing is leading to the failure in preventing terrorist attacks. The Hindu, a cpim mouthpiece, was forced to say more or less the same.
At a time when even these establishment mouthpieces are compelled to do some plainspeaking, your persistently uncivilized attempts at turning the occasion of murder of several people into another opportunity for targetting your pet hate, the bjp, surprises me.
You struck the pose of asking a “question”, ie, “what is the alternative?”, as if demanding accountability from this murderously inept government is not an alternative. Before discussing other alternatives, we need to cover a lot of ground by educating and sensitizing people like you to the sanctity of human life. The overwhelming majority of hindus distnguish between ordinary muslims and muslim terrorists. Therefore, there is no need to jerk your knee and let out a bout of hindu-baiting. Instead of getting driven by your prejudices, you need to recognize a crucial fact: innocents are being murdered by terrorists, and our lousy vote-bank-driven government needs to be held accountable to prevent more attacks and loss of more lives.
Oldtimer – you are contradicting yourself when you say that the need of the hour is sanity on one side, and are engaging in mindless tirade against Congress and its leaders on the other !
The blog started by diging dirt on Congress – and then implying why their leaders should be held accountable for communalizing and diluting the Anti Terror Infrastructure (so painstakingly put in place by BJP).
I have never seen one article on holding the BJP accountable for any of the terrorist activities during its tenure in power – or even the extreme action of providing a Cabinet Escort to the dreaded Pakistani terrorist with huge amount of Tax Payers money – which is now being used by these terrorists to fund all these current acts of terror ?
Speak against Terror & terrorists – but do not use it as an opportunity to score brownie points !
Hi Right or Wrong
Your repeated attempts to straitjacket Yossarin as some kind of BJP apologist is deplorable.
Yossarin has been doing outstanding work through his refreshing and well researched right of centre views.By exposing the dubious credentials of your party’s presidential candidate he broke new ground in Indian blogsphere
Espousing Right of Centre agenda means relentlessely exposing the insidious agenda of the leftist intelligenstia and their fellow travellers in media and academicia.And lying threadbare the communal socialism of Manmohan Singh government ,propped by the motley leftist crowd.
Looks like this is unpalatable to you
In this post,Yossarin has clearly exposed the linkage between the communal policies of the UPA government and its the terrible consequences for the Indian public.No where does he even remotely pitch for BJP .Instead of countering him with facts,you guys resort to laughable defence that you offer of this government’s awful track record by invoking Kargil , Kandahaaretc
I have been a faithful reader of this blog for long and i think unlike the MSM,BJP bashing is not the only agenda of this blog (BTW if you dig in to the archives there are number of posts which have been critical of BJP too)
I sincerely hope that this blog is not hijacked by Congress party functionaries,operating clandestinely with assumed names
BTW-Tell me when was the last time CNN-IBN called election rightly?
Like the dumbheads in BJP in 2004,i sincerely hope Congress guys are seduced by manufactured polls call for snap polls
Interesting analysis. The initiation of relations by the NDA of India with
Israel and warming of relations with the US were underlined by a common
problem: The three countries are the three primary targets of the terrorism
network, now more powerful than ever. Assam and West Bengal’s borders are
completely porous, thanks to Congress and Commie governments in both states
which have built themselves a natural votebank. In exchange, they have sold
India’s security out. I hope they feel it was a worthwhile investment. Most
who raise such points are deemed intolerant, fascist, Nazi or whatever else
you want to call it. I think the Congress’ main hope is that people just
get used to the potential of being blown up at any time and don’t place any
blame on them. Therefore, they can continue to harvest their natural
vote-bank’s and weaken the security infrastructure without any
consequences. Its pragmatically been a successful strategy…even its
ethical consequences are depressing. India has no parallels to draw with
Israel. The leadership of the latter realizes that national security is a
top priority, the former’s leadership sees it as frivolous.
oldtimer,
Why are you looking at it as an either-or / black or white situation? Aren’t there areas of grey?
You have indulged in lowering the standards of this debate. Calling me names doesn’t matter but remember the old adage about one finger and three fingers…
You must answer my question. Criticise the government, but with what purpose? Heard of something called constructive criticism! What does ‘holding the government accountable’ actually mean on ground? Do explain that.
The alternative is as bad if not worse than the existing. So, where do we go? I was seeking that answer, not innuendos and mudslinging of the kind we witness in our ‘parliament’…
BTW, I have voted for the BJP since 1989 (voted for Congress in 1984, I confess) and as a supporter, I have all the more reasons to be critical of their pussyfooting…
Finally, let me also add that if this debate degenerates further, I will be constrained to pull out of this…
Chingo chang/Righto wrong,
>>You have indulged in lowering the standards of this debate.
Wrongho chang.
I don’t discuss political parties. I don’t discuss Congress vs BJP. I discuss issues. As a citizen of this country, I demand accountability from the government. But it seems you are hellbent that I should shout slogans in favor of the Congress and Communists. It seems you want me to sing hosannas to this govt, eventhough it is failing miserably in a task as basic and essential as protecting citizens’ lives.
42 people were murdered because of government’s criminal negligence and what are you obsessed with? That the government should not be held accountable, that the parties running it should not be held accountable..
It is not just that you lowered the standards of this debate. You dragged me into the mud. And I know you’re enjoying it.
Are you influenced by squared off sites by any chance?
>>You must answer my question. Criticise the government, but with what purpose?
You ask silly questions because, as is now very apparent, you are very ingorant about how democracy works. I blame it on your congress/communist education.
In a democracy, the government is elected by people. People elect it to perform and deliver. When it doesn’t, vigilant citizens, critics and opinion-makers comment on the government’s non-performance and misdeeds, and demand that it perform as expected for it was elected to perform. This vigilance is essential to make sure that our rulers are held accountable and remain deserving of positions they are elected to, and that the people are delivered what they expect out of an elected government. Among the various things a government is supposed to perform is protection of law and order, and of citizens’ lives.
Our government has been pretty ineffectual in the face of terrorist attacks, and that is why a whole lot of people are criticizing it. It has been ineffectual because it deliberately chose not to do the kind of policing that is required to contain and prevent terrorist attacks. The government perpetrated this crime on its citizens because it was motivated by communal, votebank considerations.
Now let me tell you how anti-democratic, political animals function. These people are pretty fanatical in their support of one political party or the other, and equally fanatical in bashing the parties that they oppose. What they forget in the heat of their own hate is that party politics and loyalties are irrelevant to the question of assessing a government’s performance. LK Advani once said (now, has your knee started jerking wildly because I mentioned Advani’s name? Please stay calm.) that ideology is irrelevant to governance.
ANY government no matter which party is running it performing as badly as the lousy one currently ruling us is NEEDS to be criticized. The point is to protect our democratic freedoms, let alone the most basic of our rights: the right to life.
It seems that criticizing the government makes you froth at the mouth. Why the intolerance? Not even card-holding members of the parties running this government — ie, Congress and the Left — are not as close-minded as you about criticism, whatever their other faults. What is your problem?
>>The alternative is as bad if not worse than the existing.
Which is YOUR opinion, and probably the opinion of a lot of Congress and CPIM workers as well. Hold it. Revel in it. Propagate it. Publicize it.
But please: the rest of us not are NOT driven blindly by politics as much as you seem to be. We believe that non-performing governments must be kicked out. If all people thought like you (TINA! TINA!) crooks would be ruling us forever.
>>BTW, I have voted for the BJP since 1989 (voted for Congress in 1984, I confess) and as a supporter, I have all the more reasons to be critical of their pussyfooting…
Very good. I have been voting Congress since I was born, and I think it’s time to give to party the boot.
Hope my prefernce doesn’t upset you and give you the measles or stomach cramps ..
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I was watching the J&K election results today and I am very much happy because 62% people came to cast their vote.
However, I saw a major section of people, who are pro-pakistani or anti-national, thanking pakistan for allowing peaceful elections. The election commission took all measures to conduct peaceful elections and the police and army helped the EC in their process. But why these stupid people thanking pakistan?
Moreover, this term elections are a death blow to the separatists who lost their credibility in the J&K and are in dilama. But since morning 8:00 AM, I was checking with NDTV, CNN/IBN and there was atleast 15 interviews with the separatist leader “lone” and only few with the congress and NCP leaders and not even a single interview with BJP leaders.
I ask this question to Ms. Barkha dutta, “are you looking to divide the country?” “are you so interested in separatist movement than Amarnath sangarsham movemt?” What are you thing of yourself?
I pray to Sri Ram to give some “Dharma budhi” to this Barkha.